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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby RichardC » Thu Jan 14, 2010 09:25:02 AM

OC,

Brian Pitkin is a solid guy and IMO does a good job as the registrar, all things considering. I've personally spent some time across a table from him chatting and can vouch for him, what he does and the obstacles his consumer protection branch is up against.

I’ll admit some of Raymond’s posts were helpful, but many more of his rants over the years lacked true facts... he was after all just a disgruntled ex - bill collector motivated by spite, so I wouldn’t always rely on him as an “expert”.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby Millie P » Wed Jan 13, 2010 07:39:02 PM

Pitkin has never been associated with Natale or any collection agency. He has been a public servant almost his entire adult life with the exception of about eighteen months.

The closest you could come to connecting him to collection agencies was that at one point he was in charge of the sheriffs department for York and as such oversaw the individuals who would enforce judgments.

His only employment outside of the public service was short and related to IP law which is not connected to collections.

My experience with him has been very positive. From what I have gathered from other people he does a good job.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby Ottawa_Chap » Wed Jan 13, 2010 05:34:51 PM

Millie, seeing how you're putting in a lot Due Dilligance these days, perhaps you've uncovered what Ray was referring to in his post below? Just trying to recall if Pitkin was working with Natale at one stage, or perhaps running a collection outfit at some point? I believe the answer is in these forums somewhere,

/threadview/1284.html

See section 8(1)(d)(vi) of the Consumer Reporting Act of Ontario. With Deanna Natale's (old?) connection to the Ministry of Consumer Protection and Brian Pitkin, the Registrar of Collection Agencies in Ontario, being an ex bailiff officer and speaker at creditor banquets, maybe we should call it the Creditor Protection Act.

For those who'd like to search for that specific answer, make your life easier: http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENCA304&q=site%3Acanadian-money-advisor.ca+pitkin&meta=lr%3D&aq=f&oq=

Another good thread here on the Pitkin subject:

/threadview/896/4752/2.html

BTW: If I recall correctly, the limit for sending out a bogus court forum is capped at $20.00 ... I have the legislation in my database to support this, I'll just need to locate it..
Infuriating one C/A at a time..
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby Millie P » Wed Jan 13, 2010 03:51:22 AM

Brian Pitkin and the Law Society are quite different. Speaking with Mr Pitkin he seems like a very nice man who will fix your problem for you but who is too frustrated to deal with the overwhelming issue of collection agencies having no respect for the law. Like a true public servant e would actually go on the record with anything but there is just a certain non-verbal communication that makes it very clear he knows how bad it is and that he is sympathetic but not willing to do more than just fix individual problems as they come up.

Law society is quite different they don't care about how professional you are as a collection agency but rather if your behavior is considered appropriate for someone who is a member of the bar. I have never dealt with Natale (or any collection agency before last month) but my understanding is that she is the one who sends out fake court documents. The law society won't tolerate that. They won't do much about it either but she'll get a small fine and if she continues and people complain eventually short suspensions but that will take some time.

The law society has no power over her collection agency. All they can do is take her ability to practice law away. Other than for intimidation purposes that is pretty meaningless especially now that small claims has a $25k limit. It has some value since the general public has this unjustified fear and respect for lawyers but the reality is if a lawyer is working collections they are a major failure in life and no one to be afraid of.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby average_joe » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:12:58 PM

Just because she now faces disciplinary action doesn't mean anything will happen. I heard the Brian Pitkin’s office had received numerous complaints against her and noting every came out of it. I settled close to twenty debts and I had my fair share of idiots at collection agencies that crossed the line but instead I redirected my frustration and I settled the majority of my debts with the creditors.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby riled-up » Tue Jan 12, 2010 07:51:33 PM

Joe:

The information I received from the Law Society of Upper Canada states (read it verbatim below) that she has no disciplinary history - she now faces disciplinary action, so maybe it has just taken this long for the chickens to come home to roost.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby average_joe » Tue Jan 12, 2010 06:21:55 PM

I stated in the past that I must be the only one that had a good experience with Natale Law Office. I had a debt with them and the young gentleman handling my account was polite and professional and he helped me settle my debt for 10%.

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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby riled-up » Tue Jan 12, 2010 07:58:19 PM

Millie:

Well said, but, respectfully, her use of her position as a lawyer is much more than just "marketing purposes". It is the core of her ability to intimidate people who don't know better. You get a letter from whoever, it does not have the same threatening effect that a letter from a lawyer on lawyer letterhead does.

Unfortunately it will work best on those who are most vulnerable and least able to defend themselves. So they get scared and pay, and Deanna gets a bunch of money to go buy kittens to burn alive on Saturday night for fun.

Oh, and Judy "Liberal gravy train whore" Sgro is still a sitting MP - you can verify that at www.parl.gc.ca. If the Conservative War Room is not yet aware of this situation, I volunteer for my current MP, so they soon will be.
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby orestes04 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 08:58:19 AM

A little off topic from the OP, but I have had great success using Skype lately when I talk to any C/As. I have found that it tends to throw them for a loop as it thwarts any ANI a C/A may utilize (as there is no number to identify), and anything to throw off their usual routine is a good thing in my books as it changes any perceived power structure.

I have also hooked up my Skype application to a freeware recording program called 'Call Graph' which kicks in any time you place a Skype call. Very handy as it saves any conversation as an audio file directly to your hard drive.

I think all-in total cost was about $25 ($20 someodd for the headphones at Best Buy, and $2.50 for Skype directly from PayPal).
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RE: NATALE LAW THREATENS ME

Postby Millie P » Tue Jan 12, 2010 08:45:15 AM

I didn't recognize the voice so much as she states her name and I remembered it since I dealt with her at least a half dozen times and also because it is a male name on what sounds like a female.

You could tell based on her reaction that she remembered who I was as her tone changed completely as soon as I started talking.
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