• First Canadian Finance - Scam Site

    I just got an email from a lady who was scammed by Trans Canada Loans..

    Now she's looking at , First Canadian Finance to get a loan.

    After looking at that site, I notice that they're posting a phone number and the fact that they're listed at:
    First Canadian Place
    100 King St
    Toronto On
    PHone: 416-944-0105

    In my opinion the site DOES NOT look credible...They don't list a company name other than First Canadian Finance, (no .inc) or any other corporate identity. For the fact that they're at 100 King St, means that they could have a mail box there.

    LISTEN UP: Just because people are on the web doesn't make them credible... Always check with consumer protection to make sure that
    the company is registered as a company and then registered with the appropriate government regulator.. If they're not registered, you're going to lose your money.

    Their whois look up:
    Registrant: Victoria Harold 148 Wellesley St. E
    Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
    CA

    Domain name: FIRSTCANADIANFINANCE.COM

    Administrative Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072 Technical Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072

    Registration Service Provider: Ecommerce, Inc., registrars@ecommerce.com 800-861-9394
    ----------------------------------------

    After looking at this whois information, this site is registered to an individual Victoria Harold, not a corporation, and doesn't look like an official company...

    I would advise not to use this company at the first glance.

    The site that her email is listed with is a crappy link site..
    haroldandassociates.com



    Article Created: 2007-09-11
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On Nov 20, 2011, rachel papineau Said:
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On Jun 15, 2011, Valerie Erickson Said:
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On Jun 12, 2011, Monty Loree Said:
wow... we haven't heard too much from advance fee loan scams lately... that's good!!
On Jun 12, 2011, OLAYIWOLA OLAMILEKAN JOHN Said:
Good people in the world? please save me from scam i was sent a message after i have register with my detail that am part of the winner to be a Canadian Citizen with the program called (CIFA) wish means Canadian Immigration Financial Assistance at www.cifacanada.org but when i try to find out the name of the person claiming to be my consultant on the Canadian Immigration consultant list with his or her Registration No i cant find his or her name and this make me to be suspicious of this site to be a scam please everybody in the world put me trough.
On May 11, 2009, Janna Baker Said:
just curious to know if anyone has heard of any arrests being made?? These people are still having a great time, and on ours, on my expense!! I really could have used that money, its really such a sad sad thing and if these businesses that use western union dont use cameras, shame on them and shame on me for being so vulnerable.
On May 11, 2009, jill Beyer Said:
The Last two post be very Leary of!!!! The first being from MEG, ok she is asking for all your personal information and her e-mail is at LIVE.COM. SCAM!!!! DO NOT GIVE ANYONE ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION UNLESS YOU ARE SITTING WITH THEM IN PERSON! We have many many victims with identity theft due to the scams these people run.
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On Feb 19, 2009, jill Beyer Said:
MAKE SURE WHEN YOU FILL OUT REPORTS ON THESE COMPANIES YOU INCLUDE THE FULL WEBSITE ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER ANYTHING YOU HAVE!!! THANKS JIll @badcreditloanwarning.com
On Feb 17, 2009, Renee Said:
We need some more information from you can how did you get this address where the money was picked up and this company you were scammed by can you tell us the phone system they were using.Thanks
On Feb 17, 2009, BIG BOYS UNLEASHED Said:
KELVIN SMITH IS THE NAME HE USED TO GO INTO WESTERN UNION TO PICK UP ALL OF US VICTIMS WHO FELL FOR THIS EVEREST FINANCIAL CRAP .......... THERE MUST BE SOME SERVILIANCE CAMERA THAT THEY HAVE RECORDED THIS MAN GOING INTO THIS STORE. 799 BRIMELY RD TO PICK UP OUR MONEY.
On Feb 11, 2009, justice Said:
Everest Financial gig is almost up and final and the women whom lost her home w/ child and husband. I feel we are almost there to be at ease. Terrible things seem to happen to good people, but remember ugly things turn around on miserable people. at the time life seem so wonderful off of my money and innocent others, but I feel JUSTICE WILL ALWAYS TAKE IT\'S PLACE. that is in the court of LAW. BIG BOYS ARE NOTHING NICE TO PLAY W/ SCAMMERS FABRICATED NAMES I KNOW JANET MURHY, EMILY CONNOR AND THE MAIN CHUMP WHO PICKED OUR MONEY UP KELVIN SMITH #@&%* CHES. NEVER WIN.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS SEE ALL OF YOU UNDER THE JAIL.
On Feb 10, 2009, Renee Said:
Hello Monty yes you can claim it as a loss on your taxes I will forward all the information of what forms need to be filed.
On Jan 15, 2009, jill Beyer Said:
Monty:

I had a Canadian Victim contact me regarding claiming this as a loss, maybe you can answer his question. Do you know if this can written off on taxes in Canada? Thank you!
On Jan 15, 2009, jill Beyer Said:
Hi Everyone: I received some information today that I though would come in handy for everyone. I am getting this second hand but I have had others check and they say it is right. This money we have lost, can be claimed on our taxes as a loss. You must have a valid police report and your contract showing the amount of money. IF this is the case and the IRS takes the hit for all the money they are loosing on these scams Maybe they will step in also. It can only help!!! This is only for people scammed in 2008 the 2009 people will have to wait until next year. So lets wake up the IRS and let them help us too!
On Jan 14, 2009, Monty Loree Said:
ejay... it seems like reasonable logic... however the people who are getting scammed are desparate to pay bills. Their logic seems to go out the window while they're trying to pay bills and take care of their house hold.

jill beyer, good to know.
On Jan 14, 2009, jill Beyer Said:
There have been arrest made in Canada. But the people caught were just living large on our money! But the fight has not stopped! I told the guy that scammed me if it took to my dying day I would get him so... Joshua Bradley keep looking over your shoulder cause you know what you will get caught and I will be right there to prosecute. This is why Renee and I started the website www.badcreditloanwarning.com. To help people not get scammed and to help victims that have been. The authorities won\'t look at us as individuals, so we all have to come together to get them! Join us all we ask for is your name and a phone number or e-mail to contact you!
On Jan 14, 2009, ejay Said:
I have been in your position and believe it that when someone tells you that they are going to lend you money but you would have to give a deposit, it probably is a scam. Why would you have to put a deposit when YOU are trying to borrow the money...HELLOOOO
On Jan 14, 2009, FAITH Said:
Regardless of this scam being in a foreign country, these creeps need to feel the same misery they have put innocent victims through beleiving they where going to be giving a chance to straighten out there bills not make it that they don't have a home to lay down in anymore.
On Jan 5, 2009, Monty Loree Said:
I'm curious to know if anybody has had any success with catching these advance fee loan scammers?

Also... have you heard any news regarding these bad guys..

Again.. I'm thinking that the economic down turn might cause more people to be scammed as they're desparate for money.
On Nov 25, 2008, coleenhynes@hotmail.com Said:
I really don't understand whats going on.....all these scammers are going free with all of our money.Seems like nothing can be done with these people, but WHY CAN"T THERE BE SOMETHING DONE?

Jen don't feel ashamed. These people even scammed Police Officers, doctors and Lawyers. They seem so real, so legit.

I'm just mad....I contacted officials about another scam on the net...their response was quote "I REALLY DON"T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT>>>THERE IS MILLIONS OF SCAMS OUT THERE>>>WE CAN'T TRACK THEM ALL>>>JUST STAY AWAY FROM THESE SITES AND NEVER RESPOND TO THEIR EMAILS"

Ok...in my opinion...if they were stopped when we found out they were scams....not as many people would be scammed.

Your thoughts are welcome!!!!!!!!!!!
On Nov 20, 2008, Hope Said:
It's I the nomad waiting for scammers to be caught. I can't wait Everest Financial your day is soon going to be here.
On Nov 20, 2008, hope Said:
Janna, poor girl I also have sent money along w/ others to canada. Of, course got no where scammers flee w/ my money.
On Nov 19, 2008, Jen Said:
I was scammed by \"Charterstone Financial Group\" The phone now says \"Goodbye\" and their website is gone! I am so ashamed that I fell for this, and I hope these people will one day be caught for thier stupidity! I see that some of you are working with detectives, I have a voicemail still on my phone if it will help anyone catch these idiots.
On Nov 14, 2008, HOPE Said:
Scammers still winning out there, and computers still cracking for poor souls to believe that there is hope out there AND APPLYING FOR THESE PETTY LOANS W/ BAD CREDIT. Don\'t send your money to no one to get money. I\'m still hoping, w/ the faith of christ that these perpetual punks still taking money from good people and not thinking KARMA IS NOT GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO ALL OF THEM. MAY NOT BE TODAY, TOMORROW OR NEXT YR. LISTEN UP IT\'S COMING NO MATTER WHAT.FOR YOU LOW DOWN CROOKS WHEN YOU GET CAUGHT. oh. yeah! getting caught should mean nothing to you non remorseful bastards scamming poor souls.
On Nov 14, 2008, coleen Said:
Yes terrilee its a SCAM!!!!

They offer you a loan but the lowest amount you can apply for is $5000.00...HAHA...same as all the other scam companies. When you call them back, they answers with a simple HELLO, never mentions their company name. Lets see if they needs a deposit upfront...lol.

BAD PEOPLE OUT THERE>>>if it seems to good to be true , it usually is.
Terrilee, RED FLAG ALERT!!!!!!!
On Nov 6, 2008, Terrilee Said:
Has anyone seen the ad in the local newspapers in newfoundland, it reads, "BEING BROKE IS NO JOKE". There is just a number to call, so I checked it out, and I think its a scam!! There is no company name mentioned, and cant find any info about the ad. Suppose to be in NEW YORK, NEW YORK.
On Nov 6, 2008, Terrilee Said:
my heart goes out to all those who have been scammed. I have been wondering why it is so hard to catch these crooks. There must be a way to track them down. Hopefully, they all get whats coming to them.(jail,jail,jail,jail!!!!!!!!!!)
On Nov 6, 2008, Coleen Said:
Janna I was scammed a year ago and I too was promised a refund. Of course I did not recieve it...they don't give you back your money. Thats their scam money!!!! Sorry to hear that you got scammed to.
On Nov 4, 2008, Janna Baker Said:
Ill do anything just to find these crooks
On Nov 4, 2008, Janna Baker Said:
Hi, Im trying to find someone by the name of Judith Watkins, shes affliated with a scam calling themselves Charterstone Financial Group. They steal peoples money and promise them loans. I sent the money to Bathurst Canada, it was 1640.00 and they promised me a refund Nov 3
On Oct 27, 2008, jill Beyer Said:
I wish to GOD there was a billboard I could put up for the world to see about these Loan Scams! I have a website out there and other things going on but they still keep going and victims still fall prey to them. Be sure to contact us at www.badcreditloanwarning.com. We are getting through as we are saving people from being scammed but not everyone. We now have victims back from January -March that identities have been stolen, numerous loans taken out in their names, their accounts overdrawn etc. It does not stop with the loan not being disbursed! Not only is it our victims it\'s their family members also. We have to contacts you need to make and the information you need on what to do after this happens to you. Think you credit won\'t allow this to happen to you, well so did our victims but somehow they get these things through. The newest companies are First Avenue Lending, Charterstone Lending, now Hudson Lending all the same people. It\'s time we all take a stand and work together and get these people! And we will!!!!
On Oct 21, 2008, Lisa Said:
I apologize Monty Lee, but this action wasn't right. I can't explain in words the terrible affect this has taken place in my life right now. I applied with honesty and this matter has broken my spirit. Lesson learned cash before anything, any loan credit for a long time.
On Oct 20, 2008, Lisa Said:
EVEREST FINANCIAL JUSTICE IS COMING REAL SOON. GET READY THE COUNT DOWN IS GETTING REAL CLOSE. I CAN FORGIVE, BUT NEVER FORGET THE MISERY AND PAIN THAT AS OF NOW AND STILL TO CONTINUING, HOW TRYING TO PAY OFF MY DEBTS HAS MADE THEM ALOT WORSE THEN BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS MESS, THE PAIN AND SUFFERING TO BREAK OUR SPIRITS, WELL MY SPIRIT ISN\'T BROKEN JUST STRONGER TO BRING CREEPS LIKE YOU AND YOUR SLIME BAG FRIENDS TO ENJOY EATING ON MY LAST STEAK, AND OTHERS. I WILL NOT LET THIS MATTER REST UNTIL JUSTICE IS TAKING PLACE. REGARDLESS IF I RECEIVE MY FUNDS BACK DON\'T MISTAKE ME I WOULD LOVE MY FUNDS BACK, BUT TO SEE THESE MONSTERS BEHIND BARS WILL PAY FOR MY HEART AND OTHERS AT EASE.
On Oct 14, 2008, Monty Loree Said:
please keep language clean and constructive
On Oct 13, 2008, Lisa Murphy Said:
Janet Murphy are you ready for your count down. Days are cold and chills are getting closer. Life is too short to think that you can keep playing this game on people forever. Janet by the way sit still don't go anywhere. *Remember* Janet you can run, but you can't hide. I know the old famous game let everything calm down for now and come back around with a whole new style to try to scam again. The Big Boys Are After You Scammers. Janet Murphy Emily Connor and we can't forget the # 1 prize who ate so good for now w/ all of us victims money. Mr. KELVIN SMITH. we most definitely don't want to forget you are main man. Kelvins are you eating steaks tonights ors are you eatings on somes chickens w/ mys ands others moneys. Kelvin Janet
emily
Time is ticking and closer is the jail celll lets see what taking a thing in this is going to feel like all of you creeps.
regardless of the money anymore I want true Justice to happen pls if anything else the principal of this unfairness must come to a stop.
On Oct 6, 2008, Lisa Said:
Make believe Janet we are on the count down until the sharks get you. I hope all my stress and others holds your sleeping days sleepless. We are almost there. Don't be afraid because what you pulled showed no mercy, only shadyness, that is going to be massive in court. Oh, yeah soon I will see you and meet your phony presence. I know this isn't your real name. Kelvin Smith isn' t real either I know. One man under God in liberty and Justice for all know's. In court you can't lie under OATH. *REMEMBER* PAIN IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH SOME REAL WOMEN WHO REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CRYING IN BARS. THE BIG BOYS ARE AFTER YOU THEIVES.
On Oct 5, 2008, M. Bartok Said:
Can I hire a lawyer to erase a bad attachment by a bank that is an 8 year old incident, which was no fault of my own - that should have involved a lawsuit that I could not afford to pay a lawyer for at the time, to my otherwise good credit report?

Any reccomendations for lawyers that are good at this type of work who are located in Winnipeg Canada?
On Sep 30, 2008, Lisa Said:
I have already emailed my concerns sincerely to us victims falling for poor soul\'s innocense and desparation to straighten out debts not make them pile more. Hi I\'m a victim still sufferinf for the scam Everest Financial has played on me so called characters Janet Murphy, Emily Connor and the main person who went to receive my funds along w/ others KELVIN I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON MY STEAK YOU CREEP. excuse my french. I can\'t get over how this exhausting this feeling is 10 x\'s harder to revive again in life then it was just being simple w/ bills paying them slowly. Truly from the heart I want these scums to feel my pain and, others for what they have done. If I could be that quite fly on the wall watching. How can they sleep, eat, think any thing for this matter. I know because there scammers going soon to a JAIL NEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
On Sep 17, 2008, Lisa Said:
I hope that the EVEREST Financial scam that I got sucked into becomes an investigation. Ripping poor innocent souls's whom are already down. Janet Murphy and Emily Connor who ever you are. A women lost her home over this and I will not let this rest until those women feel me and others pain what we had to go through.
On Sep 10, 2008, Jill beyer Said:
Amen to that!!! these scammers watch all these sights. After all they are getting rich off us, and buying their drugs etc. They live the life of luxury on our money that we didn't have to loose! But, we don't give up and I won't give up until they are caught!!!
On Sep 7, 2008, coleen Said:
This question is for all the people that say they recieved thier money from these scammers...
WHO ARE YOU PAYING BACK?...lol

Give us the address that you are sending your payment to...lol.

We all know that its not true...its scammers who are stating that they recieved the money. We may have been, in the scammers eyes, "stupid" once but never again.
On Aug 13, 2008, Jill Said:
It is illegal in the United States for anyone to ask for funds up front for any loan. And if you wiring money person to person from the United States to an individual in Canada it's a scam. Rule of thumb is you can't get a loan locally where you live you won't get one. I do agree with the below comments it's a scammer saying they received their money! Beware of these people I have been through a scam in January and it ruined me!!!! Don't fall for it! They need to be in prison and will be!!!
On Aug 6, 2008, Mr. B Said:
anyone you have to pay in advance to get a loan is a scam, legal or not
On Jul 25, 2008, Michael Said:
I wrote a cheque from my US$ account for $20,000 (TD Bank) to pay Bank of Montreal. Bank of Montreal has mistakenly cashed the cheque as $20,000 in Canadian funds. How could that happen? Who is resposible in fixing this mess?
Any expert help will be greatly appreciated.
On Jul 17, 2008, Charmaine Smith Said:
I agree Brenda - I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday as I was reading some of the posts from those who allegedly "received" their loan money from these scammers. They're apparently resorting to using reverse psychology but it 'ain't working with me! Please people, don't fall for the posts from those who claim they 'received' their loans. It's just a ploy.

On Jul 16, 2008, brenda Said:
people are telling you that they have been scammed by certain companies, only to have someone else say that they received the money they needed with no problem. it seems to me that these scammers are reading the comments and pretending that they are customers of these companies that had no problem with them, don't be deceived.
On Jul 12, 2008, Sara S Said:
I also was "close" to being scamed...Dolan Grant & Associates is not listed anywhere in the N.Y yellow pages, and when I asked them about it, all Steve Abraham told me was that "you must not have been looking in the right place" (Yeah right) i asked for a Business licence and after 2 days I finally got it and checked it out on line....NO DICE!!!! Doesn't exist....If you also notice, they want you to "money gram" your "secured payment" to a person, mine was tracy in New York N.Y USA that's all he gave me for info...The last thing he said to me was (in an annoyed voice) "if you want to go through with it, great, if not fine." He tried to make me feel guilty by saying that he had "wasted" too much time on me!
That doesn't sound too professional to me???
Check out the FTC if you don't believe me!!!
On Jul 10, 2008, Lee Said:
Do you know if Capital Lending Group is a legitimate company? Their phone # is 1-866-461-5451 and the person's name is James Ellis.
On Jul 10, 2008, Michelle Said:
lee, i dealt with Steve Abraham and had no problems what so ever. You can just go to dolangrant.com and get their number from the website.
On Jul 10, 2008, Lee Said:
For those of you who state that Dolan Grant isn't a scam, would you tell me who you dealt with and their phone #? Thanks!
On Jul 9, 2008, Lee Said:
Are there any legitimate companies in Canada who provide personal loans to people with bad credit...not mortage loans or equity loans?
On Jul 9, 2008, Lee Said:
In regards to Dolan Grant, were you required to pay money upfront prior to receiving your loan?
On Jul 9, 2008, Michelle Said:
Dolan grant isnt a scam, i recieved a loan from them 2 days ago. I had secured my payment, filled out the paper work and 2 days later the full loan amount was deposited into my account.
On Jul 8, 2008, Ryan Said:
I was called saying I was accepted for a loan...ok. I accepted but when he sent me the paperwork....it didn't seem very "professional". I called the number back(1-866-299-0794) and it went straight to a voicemail from Steve at Dolan Grant & Assosciates? I haven't proceeded with this loan agreement as of yet....was wondering if this is a scam? The number on the website is different from this one.
On Jul 2, 2008, Jill Beyer Said:
Well here are a few more! Loan Alliance-Real Time Solutions Mr. Thomas Wills Asking for Person to Person Western Union Money Orders!

LIBERTY CCC Webstie LIBETYCCC.COM Total scam also. The only difference here is money is going to Florida by Money Gram.
If you have been scammed please contact www.badcreditloanwarning.com.
On Jul 2, 2008, Jill Beyer Said:
A new loan scam running out of Canada is Octine Loans 60 Woodbine Ave. Richmond Hill, ON L1J 4X9 Jenna Kilner Joan McKay Offering loans with INSURANCE POLICY sent person to person by Western Union or Moneygram to Toronoto Canada. The best thing is when you call to apply you can hear kids in the background. Don't do business with anyone asking for money up front and never send money out to ANY INDIVIDUAL! It's illegal in the US to ask for funds/insurance up front. SCAM TOTAL SCAM
On Jun 30, 2008, Charmaine Smith Said:
Watch out for Dolan Grant & Associates too. Website address www.dolangrant.com

Same website design as Pacifican Finance et al. I "applied" using their online application last week and someone by the name of Todd Ramsey emailed me just this afternoon the following email:

"We apologize for the delay in responding back to you. The company has
received your online request for financing. Your information has been
processed and we have the results of your application and would like to go
over the loan terms and conditions with you. I am available here in my
office during regular business hours tomorrow 9am-5pm EST you may leave a
message which I will return or you may also reach me by email. I will also
try tomorrow and contact you directly.

Todd Ramsey

Senior Financial Consultant
Dolan Grant & Associates
Office: 1 (866) 299-0791
Fax: (212) 629-1910
tramsey@dolangrant.com
www.dolangrant.com"

Same style of email response as Pacifican Finance Group and other fake loans companies. And speaking of Pacifican Finance group here's an ALERT on them:

Looks like they've been trying to switch up their URL because they know folks have caught on to their scam. I Googled "Pacifican Finance" this afternoon and found them under the following URL:

http://www.crc4kids.org/ Mind you????!!

The above link takes you to the Pacifican Finance Group website. CRC4Kids.....? Nice try Pacifican....pfft!

And then when you go to their original link: www.pacificanfinancegroup.com, it now comes up 404 Error - Not Found.

Just a heads up!
On Jun 23, 2008, jen Said:
No not either of those but can you tell me about loans direct or usa lending??? I was scammed a bit ago by them. was anyone else?
On Jun 23, 2008, puppyplay44 Said:
has anyone been scammed by Saxton Financial or Alpha Laval????
On Jun 23, 2008, Jill Beyer Said:
Hi Coleen:

If you have checked out the officer that has contacted you and verified he is who he said he is. All is good. Your information may have been found on some paperwork. Please call Jill with www.badcreditloanwarning.com. I will have more information for you. Thanks. Jill
On Jun 12, 2008, Coleen Said:
I gotta ask a question, "Did any scammers get caught lately...that were involved in first canadian finance scam"?

I'm asking because I had a phone call from a policeman in Montreal, two days ago. He had more personal information than we had provided to our local RCMP office here in Newfoundland. He even had our cell number, which was givin to "the scammers". He told us that he couldn't release any information to us, when we asked did they catch anyone.
We were scammed out of $2000.00 but he said $1860.00 was on paper, then he said the rest of the money must have been for the guy who picked up the money at western union. We contacted our local police department about this call and they checked it out and said yes it was a real police officer, at the crime department in Montreal. It got me wondering..$1860.00 was on who's papers, the local police had the full $2000.00 on paper not $1860.00.
Our local police department did not send our information to the crimes department in Montreal.

Did anyone else get this call?

Please let me know your thoughts on this!!!
On Jun 12, 2008, Coleen Said:
sorry ejay to hear about your situation. Its hard to deal with... but remember these people are professionals at this..try not to get to down over it. I know its hard, I've been through it...but we must just try to alert others. It seems like these scammers are getting away with scamming everyones money.
On Jun 9, 2008, ejay Said:
I just been scamed by Pacifican financial group who is based in "Vancouver". They took me for $500... I have warned my family about this, and can't beleived that I have been made like this...Voice your concerns and it might get us somewhere....
On May 27, 2008, Coleen Said:
ALERT!!!! Maybe another scam...PACIFICAN FINANCE GROUP!!!! Not listed as a business phone line...address is in Vancouver B.C ...not a secure site....
RED FLAG ALERT...... Where else will i post this?
On Apr 28, 2008, Jill Said:
Mr. Obama: You are obviously a scammer and deserve to go to &^** and someday you will. But before then you will get caught! Yes everyone these are the ones to AVOID!!!
On Mar 26, 2008, Jill Beyer Said:
As for Walmarts aid in these scams they should be ashamed we all have called them and told them sent faxes, letters, made phone calls but everyday they let people send this money into Canada to these loan scammers. What is it WalMart taken part in this??? You know why they pick WalMart because they do not ask for a Drivers License Number of the person picking up the Money where other places do... you see the other places have our interest at heart. And as for Moneygram It was our darn money we sent!!!! Tell us where it was picked up and the time FOR GOD SAKES IT WAS MY MONEY I SENT I THINK WE HAVE THAT RIGHT!!! Both these companies should be ashamed as they have done NOTHING to stop this. They make these scammers rich!
On Mar 26, 2008, Jill Beyer Said:
It disgust me to think all these people are reporting all this money be scammed out of the United States and NOTHING is done by anyone within our Government Agencies. I was told this scam is to little for the Secret Service here in Detroit. But you know what We will not Stop everyone keep writing those letters and banning together eventually we will get the help we need. Our government does not care that millions are taken every year from us. Why is that. I pay taxes let me not pay those and I will end up in Jail. As for these scammers in Canada you day is coming Renee and I will see to it and all the other victims. We may never get our money back but you guys in prison is good enough for us. SEE YA SOON GUYS!!!
On Mar 26, 2008, Monty Loree Said:
Obama Richards... hilarious. please don't spam the comments.

You're a scam artist.. Obviously because you're using a yahoo email address...

Sorry not interested.
On Mar 26, 2008, Renee & Jill Said:
I am a victim of advance fee loan scam myself and other victims have found each other through rip off reports. There is something that we can do to track down these criminals they are starting to get sloppy they are leaving behind trails.We need to get as many victims together and it does not matter what year they were scammed in we need to have as many voices as we can to have our voices heard.All these fraud companies are using real company names we have found the way to track down there next scams the criminals we have been dealing with are getting upset because we are messing with there business they have called and shut of electric in our name they have brought up our children into nasty conversations they have hacked into our computers and there is more.After i get a response to this posting I will give out more information on what we need to do.
On Mar 25, 2008, Richards, Obama Said:
Hello,

I am Mr. Richards, a registered, certified, reputable, legitimate, and an accredited lender. I give out loan of all kinds in a very fast and easy way, Personal Loan, International Loan, Car Loan, Home Loan, Student Loan, Business Loan, Inventor loan, Debt Consolidation. etc
I offer loan to every individuals, firms, and company that are in need of financial assistance in a very low interest rate of 3.5%.

Dear readers you should note that this offer is basically for serious minded individuals, firms and companies.
Do not let this opportunity pass you by, Get your loan to solve your financial problems.

I am offering you all to the best of my knowledge and to your satisfaction any
interested individuals, firms, and companies that are interested in obtaining a loan from our company should contact me promptly via email:

Email Removed... please don't spam the comments

Folks... this is a good example of a person not to deal with!!
On Jan 10, 2008, Brenda Said:
Hey Toni...don't beat yourself up over this...these guys are professional scammers...had a real good cover up...I also did my homework on these guys and still got ripped off $500.00...The best advise is to get hold of Equifax/Trans Union...to make sure your identity has not been compromised and to have your name flagged for identity theft.
You will not be getting your money back, they play on the desperate!!! B^&*$#ds!!!

Monty...spoke with Dect. Dana Drover...investigating officer for the Halifax Fraud Unit...CLC/Anthony Pelfrey are likely still in operation maybe under a different name...almost impossible to catch as they are using mobile devices.
I've given him your website in which he says will help in his investigation, lots of good info!!! Thanks Monty!!!
On Jan 8, 2008, Toni Said:
DON'T EVER DEAL WITH THIS PLACE!!!!!!!!!! Of course I feel like an idiot...they duped me for $200....if you hear of Anthony Pelfrey or Dale Lee....RUN!!!!ALthough I did do some research before...they did not have any negative hits with the BBB....and supplied me with a licence #....STILL GOT SCREWED. I hope he rots!!!!
On Dec 19, 2007, Brenda Said:
Yes Coleen/Monty...
There has to be a way!!! When we first got on to "Tony" we should have been able to bust him or the numerous slew of people accepting these Moneygrams...you need ID to accept one!!! Im sure the Post Office could/would have easily assissted in this!!! Shame on the Canadian Law...if I stole a loaf of bread to feed my family...I'd likely go to jail...and these guys are welcome to financially devestate the already desperate, and its ok...what the f*&%!!!

I have a case # and a detective working on it from the local Fraud Dept...but really, I'm not expecting much...sad!!!

Hope all of you have a Great Holiday & A Much Better New Year!!!

Let's not let these scammers take that away from us too!!!
On Dec 18, 2007, Coleen Said:
Hi Monty,
I truely understand what you are saying but the ppl who picked up the money are in canada. If we could only catch these ppl , maybe then we could get the real scammers.
My money was picked up in Quebec. We should work with the RCMP and Western Union, to set up a trap, try to catch these ppl.
But how? Any suggestions?


On Dec 16, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Coleen,
The problem is that these criminals AREN'T necessarily in Canada. They could be anywhere in the world.

They do alot of work to make it look like they're in Canada.
On Dec 16, 2007, Coleen Said:
Brenda, I'm not sure about Canadian Loan Centre but First Canadian Finance is off the hook. What I don't understand is that the ppl we dealt with are in canada but they cannot be tracked. The site was registered to Victoria Harold and apparently ppl have talked to her but she cannot be held responsible either. Canadian Law got me puzzled. RCMP told me any scammers outside of Canada and US, is impossible to catch. So there be it, we got scammed and thats it. The scammers are free and clear. They took our money and ran......They are all having a drunk on us and laughing at us. WE HAVE NO PROTECTION FROM THEM.
On Dec 2, 2007, Brenda Said:
You would think this would be even worse in the eyes of the law!!! We have no protection...always a loophole...we now protect Nigerians and not our own...shame on Canadian Law!!!
What about Anthony @ Canadian Loan Centre, is he off the hook as well?
On Dec 1, 2007, coleen Said:
I found out today, the first canadian finance scam site starts in Nigeria. Therefore we are out of luck. The RCMP informed us today that since its from Nigeria, there is nothing further that they can do with it. So anything that starts or is tracked back to Nigeria, nothing can be done about it. These scammers are free and clear. THEY WILL NOT BE CAUGHT.
On Nov 26, 2007, Brenda Said:
Monty...

Do we know the statis on Anthony and CLC...has he been caught and who can we confirm this with to try and make claims for our money?

Thanks Andreas for your info...glad yours was "returned"...I will forward this on...
On Nov 25, 2007, Andreas Said:
I also got scammed C.L.C. which I didn\'t know until my phone calls were not being returned or e-mails. I also was approved for 10000 dollars and had to send 494.00 dollers. I sent it by express post to the address Anthony gave me. There is another name which I had to right on the money order TED GIBBS. The address I had to send it to does not exist (1200 church St.Winnipeg Manitoba R3M 2R5). Luckly for me I checked the statis of the parcel and it is being return to the sender which is me. My only problem is that he has all my personal information and every body elses. SOMEBODY GET THIS GUY!
On Nov 22, 2007, Brenda Said:
Iam assuming that they may have got this guy....Anthony, hopefully...and hopefully they have recovered some of our money...when calling him, mailbox full...when emailing him...message gets delayed then goes to mail failure (postmaster)...people you still need to file a complaint with your local police fraud unit...ASAP...if they did get him and seized any funds...there may be a slight chance we will get our money back, and at the very least put this bastard away for as long as we can...again anyone with names of who you had to send your "deposit" to...let me know...I am working with the Halifax,NS fraud unit...the more names I have the better for them to try and recover funds and put him away!!! e-mail names to me please barscott3@hotmail.com
On Nov 19, 2007, AMY Said:
I FAXED OVER MINE AND MY FIANCEES DRIVERS LICENSE, PAY STUBS, AND CURRENT BILLS...YET I WAS VERY VERY SKEPTICAL OF THIS SITE SO I HAD CHOSEN TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH I COULNT FIND ANYTHING, I TRIED TO REVERSE SEARCH HIS PHONE NUMBER. "ANTHONY PELFREY" TOLD ME HIS MOTHER PASSED AWAY THAT IS WHY HE DIDNT CALL, I JUST FOUND OUT NOW HE WAS A SCAM, I DID NOT SEND ANY MONEY THANK GOD BUT WILL BE FLAGGIN ALL MY STUFF I GAVE HIM...WHAT FUCKEN ASS HOLES..PPL THAT NEED HELP GET IT IN THE END
On Nov 19, 2007, coleenhynes@hotmail.com Said:
Just a little note, to say, NOTHING done about where I was scammed. I think all these ppl, are the SAME ppl. They need to be caught.
On Nov 19, 2007, Frances Said:
I live in Ontario and suspect I have been scammed by this canadian Loan center and Anthony.

Please e mail me.
On Nov 15, 2007, Brenda Said:
call/email Jenene....she'll be glad to send forms...not enough room on here...
Everyone from HRM,NS needs to fill this out ASAP!!!

General Fraudþ
From: Jenene Cole (colej@halifax.ca)
Sent: November 13, 2007 10:53:33 AM
To: barscott3@hotmail.com

Security scan upon download
General F...wpd (11.2 KB)
Please complete and return the attached fraud forms along with photocopies of any documents you have to support your case. Thank you, J ColePhone 490-1985Fax 490-19070
On Nov 15, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Brenda,
Anything we can post on the site here?
On Nov 14, 2007, Brenda Said:
Anyone from HRM, NS who has been scammed...I have the report documents,
INTEGRATED FINANCIAL CRIME SECTION General Fraud Report...send e-mail address, I would be more then glad to send it to you.

Any other names for CLC moneygrams/money orders?
On Nov 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
The other important thing is to keep reporting these fraud advance fee loan scam sites so that I can report them here!!
On Nov 13, 2007, Brenda Said:
I think with the help of the fraud dept....and my anger...we're on to these B&^%$#@s....please everyone who delt with Anthony from CLC please let me know who's name m/o or m/g was made out to...very important...got a trail on him...maybe just maybe we'll get him and with any luck maybe some money as well....let's stick together and get them...the more names I get the more it's more likely we'll get them...more people, more mistakes...and they have made a few too many!!! Please do rush!!! Thanks...I'll keep ya posted from my end!!!
On Nov 13, 2007, BRENT Said:
THE B@#$%^D IS STILL DOING THIS TO US COME ON THIS A DAM CRIME!!!! SOLVE IT!!!
On Nov 9, 2007, Brenda Said:
called Anthony yesterday...still maintaing check on the way...how many more people will feel the devestation before he gets caught!!!!

Monty...the link is where you are sending me messages....
On Nov 9, 2007, BRENT Said:
WELL ANTNONY STILL HAS MY NUMBER BLOCKED!!! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PERSON DOESN'T GET CAUGHT!!! THE PHONE NUMBER MUST BE ABLE TO GET TRACED OR SOMETHING!!!HE IS STILL DOING IT !!
On Nov 8, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Brenda...
Which link are you trying to log into? The discussion forum?

If so you have to register first.
On Nov 8, 2007, Brenda Said:
Just talkin to Anthony...he's still insisting chq is on the way...got to go to the RCMP again...surely they can trace him or these othere people...please anyone who has a different name they had to make moneygram out to I need these names please...we'll get them somehow...more names...better chance

Monty...when I try to log in to your your link it won't allow me...
On Nov 8, 2007, BRENT Said:
the name used for the moneygram was PAUL SOURCHI!!!!
On Nov 8, 2007, BRENT Said:
hey thought you all would like to know i have notified our local rcmp to report this !@#$%^&.this is not far these morons play with our emotions and give us false hope i really hope that they get this guy ANTHONY PELFREY AND GIVE HIM SOME HEARTACHE!!!!
On Nov 8, 2007, BRENT Said:
hi iguess we are among the many people that got screwed by anthony pelfrey,we made the mistake of sending a moneygram too!!HE NOW HAS MY PHONE # BLOCKED SO I GET A RECORDING SAYING HE IS NOT TAKING CALLS AT THIS TIME ,BUT WHEN MY FRIENDS CALL THEY GET HIS WHOLE BUISNESS RECORDING ,HE TOOK 500.00 FROM US AND WE WANT IT BACK!!APPROVED FOR LOAN ON NOV4 SENT MONEYGRAM ON NOV 6TH AND STILL NO LOAN SO WHERE'S THE JUSTICE!!
On Nov 8, 2007, Brenda Said:
well...must be using all different people in this scam...mine had to be made out to Robert Fielding...what can we do people...he's still operating...I'm loosing my home because of this...there must be something or someone who can stop him...if it wasn't for my financial mess that he caused I myself would go out west and get him myself!!! Bas%^&D!!!
On Nov 7, 2007, james Said:
doesn't eveyone know know it's carrie stevens or is that changed on an hourly basis too , she the only one that is allowed to pick up the payment, once it hit me I knew I got screwed. I just went thru 8 years of hell trying to keep a family together I was supposed to finish off the floor on the house to rent out to cover payments i've been working two jobs to hold things together thanks anthony for making work till midnight past two weeks hope you have fun,
carma comes around
On Nov 7, 2007, Brenda Said:
anyone that sent a moneygram for clc and anthony...who's names did you have to make them (the moneygramm) out to?...the RCMP would like to know...maybe we can get something through these guys to get to Anthony...and he is still operating as of today!!! We got to get him guys!!! Somehow!!!
On Nov 6, 2007, Rob Colbourne Said:
Please contact me, i Sent them $494. They approved me for $10000 was gonna buy a car, however still have not received the money, they were gonna direct deposit it, that didnt happen called them today and they said their machine was down, and a cashiers cheque is to be sent to me wed nov 7.
On Nov 6, 2007, Rob Colbourne Said:
I sent clc financial $494. they approved me for a $10000 loan. These people need to be stopped. Also dealt with anthony pelfrey, spoke to him today. supposed to be getting a cashiers cheque wed nov 7/07. Was gonna buy a car. Now short on rent. Who would like to help.
On Nov 6, 2007, Reuben Said:
Hi Monty
I want to thank-you so much for your answer.I will try them and I will let you know what happened. Thanks again
On Nov 6, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Reuben,
creditautodirect.com looks to be a "lead generation" site.

It's been around since 2006, and isnt' asking for sensitive information.

They've also got horizon plus credit card set up as an advertiser which means that they must be doing something good.

What they do is probably give your information to regular auto dealers who then call you and pitch you on their service.

With a lead generation site, you're not applying for a loan, but merely suggesting that you are in the market for a loan.

On Nov 5, 2007, Reuben Said:
Has anybody heard of creditautodirect.com just would like to know if they are ok because they are offering credit to anyone with good credit or even very bad credit.
On Nov 5, 2007, james Said:
I got scammed from anthony pelfrey
wish I saw this Oct 10 I can\'t believe he still
anwser the phone and blamed me for not being home to sign for ups express when my wife stayed home for two days, then he says he mailed it
On Nov 5, 2007, katie29 Said:
What i did as soon as i realized it was a scam i went to my bank and explain my situation and opened a new bank account. It's a bit of a hassle but at least they will not get anymore of you money
On Nov 5, 2007, Brenda Said:
just wondering...what names you needed to send your "deposit" to...and don't forget these lowlifes will be taking payments out soon...make sure we all protect ourselves from further distruction!!!
On Nov 3, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Brenda,

Which system are you having trouble logging into? Give me the url..

You can send me a message in our contact page.
On Nov 3, 2007, Brenda Said:
Yes I am going to the RCMP today with all I have...sorry you've felt my pain...I am so sick about it all....I don't even no what I'm doing, where I will live...all I can do is cry...I've struggled for years since my marrage broke up and now...its like starting all back over and then some........Monte please help me with log-in...it won't let me get to your messages/!!! I'm sure it just me!!!
I want these people stopped now...I'll update ya after I speak with RCMP...
On Nov 2, 2007, coleen Said:
Yet another victim. These ppl must be stopped. How is the question? Brenda I'm sorry to hear that you were scammed too.
Its not about being stupid, its like you said , its desperation and these scammers knows how to work ppl when they at desperate. There must be a way to catch these ppl.
On Nov 2, 2007, Brenda Said:
Oh Im in Nova Scotia...he's all over!!!
On Nov 2, 2007, Brenda Said:
yeah...another victim of Canadian Loan and Anthony.......yes they did get some cash out of me...and in the same fashion...going to the police tommm. What the heck are we able to do here...it's insane...out of deperation I fell for this...and no I'm not stupid! Just vulnerable! We need to do something....
On Nov 2, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Ted,

I posted some site reviews up:
hudsoneliteadvisors.com
and
trinityfinancialgrp.com

If anybody has any issues with these sites, let's please discuss them there.

And Again, thanks Ted Reid for pointing out these scam sites.!!
On Oct 27, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Yes they both are as they contacted me out of the blue.
Hudson is supposed to be in Yukon...Whitehorse.
On Oct 27, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Ted,
Are those two sites directed at Canadian?
On Oct 27, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
here is 2 more for the list... already reported them.
http://www.trinityfinancialgrp.com./
http://www.hudsoneliteadvisors.com
On Oct 24, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
L.C unfortunately you are not alone in this .
Please read thru the forum and all that you can and should do is here.
On Oct 22, 2007, L.C Said:
I unfortunately made the mistake of giving them all of my information. Yes It is a scam, I have yet to receive my loan and have been unsuccessful in contacting "Anthony Pelfrey" from the Canadian Loan Centre. If anyone has suggestions on my next step, PLEASE HELP!
On Oct 20, 2007, leeann gillard Said:
i have just received a call about a loan i have applied for in someone elses name to see if they would reply well they did and i am waiting for them to call me back and then i have a teracer on my phone to see if i can trace them.hopefully it works
the company is canadian loan centre and the guys name is anthoney.
On Oct 16, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey TomCreditCounsellor,
That's good info.. I'll check into that right away and write a brand new post warning people about www.lanmarkfinancegroup.com
On Oct 16, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Thanks for your input.
as much info as we can get to help others the better.
On Oct 16, 2007, TomCreditCounsellor Said:
My name is Tom and I\'m a credit counsellor by profession. I have made it my hobby to expose these organaizations claiming to have the immediate \'quick fix\' for credit woes. Head\'s up, there is yet another company out there scamming you out of your money. Company is called \"Lanmark Financial Group\" website is www.lanmarkfinancegroup.com, pretty flashy site actually. The address on their main websited says 5689 White Hall St in Toronto ON L4K 4M8. Problem is, that address does not exist in Toronto, nor even does the street name, and the postal code reverses to a city called \"Concord\" in northern Ontario. The toll free# listed is not in service, and the operator at 411 has never heard of the company....weird considering they\'ve been in buisness for over 10 years...The rep may go by \"Henry Harvey, Senior Financial Analyst, if you recieve it, ask them for specific documents, a contract, a company profile, an ACTIVE address that can be verified. Also, another scammer by the name of Brett, with \"Metro Credit\" (although he crossed himself and said Mr.Credit contrary to his ad on Kijijii) has a cell phone he says he \'forwards\' from his office land line. Sorry fopr the longwindedness, but it seems this thread is driven on building as much of a database as possible.....
On Oct 12, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
This is a MUST LISTEN!!

kenworth73 was scammed for $2000 and discussed what happened on this podcast

Listen Now!! Run time 11 minutes


Hopefully this will help educate canadians on how not to get scammed with Advance fee loan scam websites.

See horrifying blog post about kenworth73's experience
On Oct 12, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Equifax.ca & TUC.ca

Please do check out my DIY Credit Repair Ebook for Canadians

This ebook gives alot of information on credit bureaus, including How to Order your FREE Credit reports!
On Oct 12, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Does anyone know which credit bureaus to contact and the phone #'s. I am getting really worried about this identity theft thing now. I didn't think they would have this much nerve but i guess i was wrong.
On Oct 11, 2007, coleen Said:
Well I have something new to tell you about.
Yesterday I tried using my capital one credit card, it kept declining. When I contacted them, I finds out,they got my account suspended. WHY? Because somebody has been trying to access my account and used alot of wrong passwords.For security purposes they suspended the account, Very WISE DECISION. Who was trying to access my account? Maybe it was the scammers from firstcanadianfinance, they have alot of my information. My biggest concern now is IDENTIFY THEFT.
On Oct 11, 2007, Angella Said:
That's odd...

If this loan is entirely unsolicited it could be one of two things:

- you have applied with another scam lender and your information is being bandied about a ring of scam loaners

- these people have persuaded a credit bureau that they have legitimate reason to have a corporate account and access people's credit profiles and they're doing a search for anybody with a credit score under a certain number. If this is the case, you may want to consider pulling both credit reports and looking ate recent inquiries/soft inquiries. Inquries made will have contact info on your file. If you don't recognize any inquiry... hard or soft... investigate it.
On Oct 11, 2007, katie29 (Kate) Said:
Oh wow thats scary. yes forsure get in touch with them and let them know. good luck ;)
On Oct 11, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Here's the thing i did not apply for a loan with this company. Everyone should beware about identity theft. I am going and changing my banking accounts and letting the credit bureaus know about this.
On Oct 11, 2007, Katie29 (Kate) Said:
What ever you do, do NOT put any money down for a loan...you will NOT get your loan. Know matter how convincing they may sound or how legit there wbsite may look don't do it...it's a SCAM. PLEASE don't give them your money you will NEVER get you money back.

On Oct 10, 2007, Angella Said:
Oh no... she's a scam alright.
On Oct 10, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Thanks koka1234,

I posted the new blog post about http://www.canadianloancentre.com

Make sure you do any commenting regarding canadianloancentre.com over their :)
On Oct 10, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
lol... koka1234...

Looks like we've got our selves another winner!

I'm going to start a new blog post about them so that this comment section doesn't get any longer..

BTW... I'm looking to interview somebody who was scammed or potentially scammed by one of the advance fee loan scammers
On Oct 10, 2007, koka1234 Said:
As anyone ever heard of Canadian Loan Centre. They just sent me an email stating that I was approved for a SECURED loan. Of course i would need to put down a deposit of 500-600 dollars. Here is there website
www.canadianloancentre.com
On Oct 10, 2007, koka1234 Said:
As anyone ever heard of Canadian Loan Centre. They just sent me an email stating that I was approved for a SECURED loan. Of course i would need to put down a deposit of 500-600 dollars. Here is there website
www.canadianloancentre.com
On Oct 8, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
This place here is legit for anyone who still needs help.
http://personalizedloans.ca/?gclid=CMqF5OLK_44CFQ6CPAodeXKM2A
On Oct 3, 2007, Coleen Said:
The scammers may live anywhere but the people that picked up the money at western union are in canada. Ron Hilde picked up our money wire transfer in Quebec. Western Union said Ron Hilde had to have picture ID, to be able to get the cash.

Did anyone else send cash through western union? If so, western union can tell you what location it was picked up at.

Mine was sent to Ron Hilde, Toronto , Ontario but western union told me it was picked up in Quebec.

If we could find these people maybe they would rat on the big guys.
On Oct 3, 2007, Coleen Said:
OK they can keep scamming and not get caught? So anyone who is smart enough can scam millions? WOW!!!!!!!!

Well, the investigation is ongoing with the RCMP. We had to give them more information today and sign a paper to let them access our computer. Hope something will happen.

Next scam site we find, because I know I'm always looking for them, we should report it to the police before we blow their cover. Maybe a police officer can find out where they are then.(Just a thought). What do you think?
On Oct 3, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Well to give you an idea of how big and organised this group is, I have done some digging for the last week.
Those YOU HAVE WON THE LOTTERY SCAMS and MY I HAVE A LITTLE OF YOUR TIME SCAMS all run from the same main server..
Nigeria Lottery, British Lottery and god knows how many more but this is what you are up against and NO THEY CANNOT BE TRACED not with the BLACK HOLE server and encryption they have running.
They own their own network .
Just alittle info i thought you may find interesting.
On Oct 3, 2007, kate Said:
I was told on the phone that after i recevd my deposit back that i could open a new file. i was told this from ted johnson (who knows his real name of course)...that was a month ago and i haven't received my money and i know i won't...all the phone #'s that i was given were all disconnected when i called them back the following week
On Oct 2, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
People can mask their ip's using IP proxys. This means that they can be anywhere in the and make it look like they're in Canada.

It's really hard to track people who want to remain anonymous.
On Oct 2, 2007, coleen Said:
The email concerning the identity theft is exactly the same as i recieved from first canadian financial. Only one difference is that they also said we would be able to get a non-secured loan with them, as soon as we got our money back within 3 weeks. The police will be accessing my email account, therefore I will not be able to post my emails until a later date.

Do anyone know if the computers used was in Canada? The reason I asked is because if they are tracked to places like Nigeria, the police said an investigation is pretty much pointless.

All emails from these companies may be tracked so turn them into the police. Every email might count in this situation.
On Oct 2, 2007, Kate Said:
This was sent to me the day I was suppose to get the money in my account at 3:05pm. After being told the day before everything was ok and I would receive the money in my account between 2-4. I know I will not get my money back but I really hope this helps someone else so they do NOT get a loan from anyone on line through the internet...It was an expencive lesson that I hope no one else has to go through Good Luck to you all

Sorry about the delay but there has been a problem with your file. Our Securities Department has flagged your file due to a possible identity theft situation as all of your liabilities were not listed on your application. The transfer will not go through today and the company has issued an automatic refund of your down payment. The down payment will be reimbursed back to you along with the transfer fee from Money Gram. A certified cheque will be mailed to you within 3-4 weeks. I apologize on behalf of the company for any inconvenience this has caused you and if you have any questions or concerns please contact our Customer Service Department @ 416-208-3935 or customerservice@canwestcredit.com.

Sincerely,

Kyle Danby
Senior Financial Analyst
Canwest Credit
Email: kyle.danby@canwestcredit.com
Phone/Fax: (416) 944-0266 or (604) 595-3048
Website: www.canwestcredit.com
On Oct 2, 2007, kate Said:
He is very nice here isn't he wishing me a great long weekend. This was after i sent him all them money i had ...$900 via money gram.

I have received your faxes thank you. I have sent your file to our customer service department and your funds will be transfered into your account on Wednesday September the 5th, 2007. Have a great long weekend.
On Oct 2, 2007, kate Said:
here is one email he sent to me...look familiar

Your loan has been finalized and approved. Attached to this email is the loan contract. Please print it, sign and date it, fill out the hard copy (4th page), and fax or scan and email the 3rd and 4th pages of the contract back to myself. Only fill out the co-applicant section of the 4th page if necessary. Once the contract has been sent, a wire transfer of the $900.00 security down payment must be done via Money Gram. If you need to find the nearest location please click on the following link http://www.moneygram.com/eFindUs/findUs.do?countryCode=CA or copy and paste it into your web browser. Once at Money Gram please fill out the red form and make it payable to Fiona Jones in Vancouver, BC. There will be a transfer fee of approx. $50.00 which will be reimbursed back to you off the first payment of your loan. Please email or call me with the reference number provided on your receipt from Money Gram. If you would like your loan transferred directly into your bank and have your monthly payments pre-authorized, please fax or scan and email a copy of a void cheque along with your signed contract. If a void cheque is not provided a certified company cheque will be mailed to you. Your loan will be transferred into your account or mailed to you within 24-48 hours from when the Money Gram reference number has been provided to myself. If you have any questions please email or call me.

Sincerely,

Kyle Danby
Senior Financial Analyst
Canwest Credit
Email: kyle.danby@canwestcredit.com
Phone/Fax: (416) 944-0266 or (604) 595-3048
Website: www.canwestcredit.com
On Oct 2, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Would somebody please post the emails?
We should have these for purposes of helping other people detect scams.

erase your personal information out of the emails.
On Oct 2, 2007, spartan059 Said:
I have e-mails from Kyle but was never scammed
On Oct 2, 2007, Coleen Said:
Did anyone keep the emails on thier computer from tom benson or nick embrey?
I kept some, and i'm glad that I did. The police is going to track where the computer was at the time of the scam. This may be a start or I hope that it is. Anyone else got emails from them, don't delete them. Let the police access your computer, they are trying to help stop these scammers.

Did anyone else hear back from the police?
On Sep 28, 2007, Katie Said:
I was ripped off by canwest credit as well for $900. Kyle Danby was the name of the person i dealt with as well. I had to send the money gram to a fiona jones in Vancouver. i also spoke with a Ted Johnson. i was also told after waiting for my loan that my account was flagged for security reasons and would get my money back in 3 to 4 weeks. I know i will never did get my money back. I tried calling all numbers but they were all disconnected. My concern is what can i do so my info (sin #, health card) is NOT use in the future by other people in a identiy theft. How can i stop it from happening now after the fact

P.S for the record I did research and found nothing wrong on this company I am NOW finding out all this out this info on them
On Sep 27, 2007, Ahmed Said:
Ahmed's in for the private investigator part. Lets get these bastards that have ripped us all off for who knows how much $$$. We should all hire a good lawyer as well and track down these guys all at once and shut them down.

Who else is up for that?
On Sep 27, 2007, Reuben Said:
I think that we talked enough on this. We all should get together and hire a private investors and catch these guys, and put them behind bars where they belong. Because the local police RCMP are doing abousltly nothing. please send me your feed back.
On Sep 27, 2007, Coleen Said:
hi monty,
I didn\'t mean for you to catch the bad guys. Sorry if I came across that way. Its just making me so mad that these scammers can get away with scamming 500 million dollar from canadians and never get caught.
In my opinion the police are laughing at us because we were dumb enough to send that cash. Their attitude is well it was a scam, you will never get your money back and these people are hard to find. They say We have your complaint on file but its not much we can do.

Western Union said anyone picking up money must have a picture ID, SO WHY CAN\"T THE POLICE MOVE AND GET THE TAPES? I really don\'t understand.

Another thing before I leave, firstcanadianfinance told me what was in my credit report, they accessed my credit history and they are scammers. How can this happen?
On Sep 27, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Ahmed,
The firstcanadianfinance.com site is down...

You should have a tracking number with your moneygram. The people might have used stolen "identity theft" ID to create the moneygram account.

Contact phonebusters.com and your local police and file a complaint.
On Sep 26, 2007, Ahmed Said:
Hey, I as well got screwed by First Canadian Finance. Was offered a $25,000 loan with $2,500 down. Told them can only come up with $1,500 which they accepted...should\'ve clicked in then.
But anyways, after the money was transfered through Moneygram, I contacted them for info, they claimed that I was a victim of Identity theft and the money should be returned to me. NO MONEY WAS RETURNED and the numbers were all disconnected.

Whats my next step? is there anything i can do? Can the moneygram be tracked down since someone had to give I.D on the other end to accept the moneygram? are the police involved?
On Sep 26, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
coleen,
Canadian-Money-Advisor.ca is trying to help by making this information public etc. We're not in the business to catch the bad guys..
That's the job of phonebusters.com, RCMP, the police etc. We are in the business to make people aware of these situations as soon as we learn about them.

You should complain to every place you can think of. You're absolutely right to be angry with this situation.

Being angry is what fuels action.
Let us know what you plan to do, and who you're contacting etc.
On Sep 26, 2007, coleen Said:
ok, I listened to the 25 minute conversation. Warning people is good but what about the people that have been scammed? Its telling us that nobody is doing anything for us(thats my opinion).
Firstcanadianfinance was registered to victoria Harold who can be contacted, why not hold her responsible? Maybe she will spill the beans on the people who have been doing the scamming, if she gets the hand cuffs on her.(just a thought)
If this is a 500 million dollar scam, WHY AIN\'T THE INVESTIGATIONS DONE SOONER, SO THE PEOPLE MAY BE CAUGHT? Its no good to put in a complaint if its going to take months for the investigation to start.
I\'m sure western union has camera\'s, why don\'t the police get the tapes and catch the people who picked up the money. If they wait to long, then the tapes are usually gone.
I\'m sorry but I\'m getting more angry by the day, these people are becoming millionaires from scamming the people who just needs a little financial help.

So, Tom Benson, Nick Embrey & Ron Hilde you got away with it again. I guess since you are not being caught, you will do it again and become multi millionaires, off innocent people who can\'t afford to lose money. JERKS!!!!!!!!!
On Sep 26, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Ultimately, it's good that we're talking about these things on the site, and making it public...

Scammers are devious, and unfortunately people get caught off guard..

It's too bad that unsuspecting people need to be on a constant learning curve to guard against these unscrupulous people.

After talking to Louis Robertson from phonebusters.com yesterday, he mentioned that this is a $500 million dollar problem in Canada.

People who spend time learning how to make illegal money are going to study it like a profession. They're going to get skilled at it. The skill in this case is deception. Deceiving the public.

They train on the different skills that deceive an unsuspecting public. The internet is ripe for them to take advantage.

Here's the funny thing:
Because the scammers are committing identity theft, they could be using a scammed victims ID to sign up for the bogus websites, such as canwestcredit.com. They could be using the stolen id's to set up the moneygram or western union account.!!

So when the police go to investigate the fraud, it could be an innocent person's name all over the bogus operation!! Think about that for a sec and the reality becomes VERY scary!!
On Sep 25, 2007, Angella Said:
Ted... not to be rude, but you missed a couple of really big tip offs.

First, a company claiming to be around as long as Canwest would have to be able to do better than an amateur website littered with spelling and grammatical errors. Seriously... do these people even speak english?

Second... and here\'s the really really big one. The site that took all your information and was supposed to keep it secret was not encrypted. This means all that information can be picked up, not only by the scammers, but anybody else too. If you are putting personal information on a site that does not start with the \"https\" - as opposed to \"http\" then you should proceed no further. A scammer will not have a site like that as they are too thoroughly checked out.
On Sep 25, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I listened to the podcast Monty and i did everything that he said to check on,
I called the BBB and Vancouver Police and checked the net for info on Canwest but no flags came up, so i guess the old adage IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT IS!!Lesson learned the hard way but 1 day i will meet just 1 member of these SCAM ARTIST and then the last laugh will be mine.
On Sep 25, 2007, Bev Reuben"s Wife Said:
HI Leeann Gillard
I to am a mother of 3 .We lost 2 thousand Dollars at First Canadian Fininace. We though our troubles were over, oh God we were so exciting till we found out we were scanned
Leeann Gillard
from mother to mother I know what you are going though believe me. you know what makes me so mad that people we know tells us "will to get over it now" . well you know I'm not ready to make nice and I will not back down I ( sorry we are all so mad as hell and we all wont back down)
. All we ask for was some help
To LEEANN GILLARD
We did get in contact with our radio station and we told them what happened they laugh and call us stupid we should have know what we were getting in to and what we got we drives to get. they said they will not do nothing about it
I wish one day all of us here could get together and have coffee ,I know we are all good people.
I have this saying "forgive sounds good ,forget, I'm not sure I could..They say time heals everything, you know we are all still walting.
On Sep 25, 2007, Monty Loree Said:

MONTY LOREE'S INTERVIEW WITH PHONEBUSTERS
Check this out...

I just got off the phone conversation with Louis Robertson from http://www.phonebusters.com.. He deals with the media there, and was able to spend 45 minutes with me on the phone talking about these advance fee loan scams.



NOTE: This call is 25 minutes long, so give yourself a little time to listen to it.. it's well worth the time as Louis tells me alot about advance fee loan scams and other types of scam in Canada!!

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY when Louis is talking about identity theft.. he makes a big point about the fact that these advance fee scammers will steal your identity and cause you some major problems as they take your identity and sign up for all types of services,... compliments of you!!
On Sep 25, 2007, LEEANN GILLARD Said:
I should contact oparah and tell her all of our stories.She is looking for people right now to share there stories and expose them because they have been using the same name for a while so that would aleast maybe put a stop to that one and have the people who are reponsible for it made pay for it.Or we could go to the ctv national news or another station.
please send me your feed back
On Sep 25, 2007, Spartan059 Said:
There has to be something that can be done. Personaly. Kyle didn't get my money. I was lucky enough to come across some info on the net before i received his approval e-mail.

I copied and pasted the info into a reply e-mail asking him to respond to the claims. All he could say was that the office loaction was real and If i had the name of the person saying that they were scammed he could look into it. Yeah right. A day later I told him i would be passing on the loan... He said that is alright I will terminate your file.

I really wonder how much they have scammed..it's just not right.

My advice: Swallow your pride as I did call the bank you deal with and explain your situation. Chances are if you have a someone to co-sign with good credit the Bank will give you the money. I know it's hard admitting to family and fiends and the bank that you are having money problems, but it is a far better solution than losing $1000.00 that could have gone to bills
On Sep 25, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
leeann gillard
We have all been ripped off and none of us have stopped looking for any of the scammers. Butnot alot we can do at this point.
On Sep 24, 2007, leeann gillard Said:
i was scamed by them this weekby kyle danby i was so excited that i was apporved that i didn't even think i thouht i had done enough researc but i didn't . i lost a thousand dollars from them but i done a lot of research i know where there web site was made from and who made it the address where it was made and everything.i am going to go to the media tomorrow and do what ever i can to get these pricks . i am a single mother of 3 and i can not afford to lose that money someone will pay amd if anyone wants to help me please let me know.
On Sep 24, 2007, coleen Said:
Should we keep pressure on them? Maybe i'll call them again tomorrow because they are probably doing nothing.I'm not willing to give up , they have my money.
On Sep 24, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Nope have heard nothing from Police or RCMP no one as yet.
On Sep 24, 2007, coleen Said:
Did anyone hear back from the police or anyone?
I think this is just another scam that is brushed under the rug.

On Sep 21, 2007, Coleen Said:
Good one Jennifer123.lol. I'm still waiting for a response, guess I'm not getting the loan...lol.
I don't understand how these people get away with stealing peoples money.
I was expecting a call from the police because they were investigating something but didn't get that call...I guess they still have nothing.
On Sep 21, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
lmao i had some emails from kyle danby regarding my loan ap....i asked for some proof of credability because of all the recent scams... he replied i will cancell your application lmao so i told him what i think of him
On Sep 21, 2007, Dean Said:
BBB Reliability Report

The Better Business Bureau of Mainland B.C. 788 Beatty Street Suite #404
Vancouver, B.C. V6B 2M1
604-682-2711
www.bbbvan.org




Canwest Credit
802 1788 Broadway BB W
Vancouver, BC V6J 1Y1
Telephone: (604) 628-0149
Fax: (416) 413-9995
www.canwestcredit.com



The BBB reports on members and non-members. If a company is a member of the BBB, it is stated in this report.



Principal: Kyle Danby, Senior Financial Analyst
Customer Contact: Kyle Danby, Senior Financial Analyst - kyle.danby@canwestcredit.com
File Open Date: September 2007
TOB Classification: Loans
BBB Membership: This company is not a member.


The BBB develops a report on a firm based on inquiry or complaint activity. The BBB has not received a sufficient volume of requests for information, nor has the BBB received any complaints on this firm to warrant the development of a report. The information provided, however limited, is presented to assist you in your purchasing decisions or for any other purpose you deem relevant. The BBB suggests you read and understand company promotional materials and contracts and check company references and licensing, where applicable.


Customer Experience

As of September 5, 2007: Consumers have advised the BBB that this company requires an advance payment of $1000 by wire transfer, in order to obtain a loan. In B.C., it is illegal for a company to charge an advance fee to obtain a loan, even if that fee is described as the first or last months payment. Although legitimate lenders may charge a fee, the fee is deducted from the loan amount.

The BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.


Company Management

Additional company management personnel include:

Lillian Jones


Additional Telephone Numbers, and Email Addresses

Additional Phone Numbers
Tel: (604) 595-3048
Tel: (416) 208-3935
Tel: (416) 944-0266
Tel: (647) 430-1099


Additional Email Addresses
kyle.danby@canwestcredit.com




Industry Tips

Advance Fee Loans Schemes

On July 5, 2004, responsibility for oversight of business practices and consumer protection in British Columbia was delegated from the Ministry of Public Safety & Solicitor General to the new, independent Business Practices and Consumer Protection Authority, or BPCPA.

The BPCPA is responsible for BC consumer protection activities including investigations and enforcement under a new Business Practices and Consumer Protection Act and Cremation, Interment and Funeral Services Act , regulation of targeted industry groups, and information and mediation services offered through a toll free BC consumer complaint centre.

Moving consumer protection services to the new BPCPA will increase industry and consumer involvement in consumer protection, enhance oversight of regulated industries, provide more emphasis on consumer education, and increase the focus on critical industry and consumer issues.

Go to www.bpcpa.ca to enter the BPCPA site. If you do not have access to the internet, you may contact the Business Practices and Consumer Protection Authority at toll free 1-888-564-9963 or locally at 604-320-1667 and fax at 604-320-1663.

Summary: The BBB advises that it is illegal for a company to charge a fee in advance to obtain a loan, even if that fee is disguised as the first or last month's payment. The BBB has heard from many consumers of Advance Fee Loan Schemes who have sent money to process a loan, but have not received the loan as promised. Although legitimate lenders may charge a fee, the fee is deducted from the loan amount. Consumers seeking credit are urged to seek it locally and to check with the BBB first.

TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TYPE OF TRANSACTION FURTHER, THE BBB PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILED INFORMATION:

Consumers have reported losing substantial sums of money responding to TV, newspaper, or Web site advertisements that "guarantee" loans to people. The consumer called a toll-free phone number listed in this ad. The person who answered took the credit application over the phone or said that paperwork will be forwarded to complete. The consumer is told the loan (from $5000 to $100,000) has been approved and the promised funds will be received once a fee is paid.

This fee is often disguised as the "first loan payment" or for "security" or for "insurance," or as a "premium," "processing," or "finder's fee." Although legitimate lenders may charge a fee, the fee is deducted from the loan amount. You should never have to pay a fee in order to obtain or apply for financing.

The loan applicant is instructed to wire money or send a money order. The loan is never provided and the applicant never recovers the money sent. The applicant also risks identity theft if personal information is provided to a con artist.

Advance fee schemers commonly use a mail drop or postal box address, but direct consumers to send the fee elsewhere through money transfer services. The address turns out to be phony or non-existent.

Recent BBB investigations reveal an increase in bogus loan brokers who impersonate legitimate lenders. They make illegal use of the names, logos, and/or addresses of reputable financial institutions or organizations that have no affiliation or connection with the fraudulent operation.

Signs that the "Lender" is illegitimate:

Pressures you to act immediately.
"Guaranteed" loans, even if you have bad credit, no credit or a bankruptcy.
Demands that you wire or send money before you can have a loan offer confirmed in writing.
Written communication contains typos or grammatical errors,
When you telephone, no one is ever available, your calls are not returned, or the voicemail is full.

The Better Business Bureau strongly urges individuals to report any suspected fraudulent schemes to their local police, or to Project Phonebusters. Project Phonebusters is a task force jointly managed by the Ontario Provincial Police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The project hotline can be reached at (888) 495-8501, by facsimile at (705) 494-4008 or by writing to: O.P.P. Anti-rackets Branch PO Box 686 320 Airport Rd North Bay ON P1B 8W9. Americans with complaints about any company charging an advance fee for a loan should contact the national fraud information center toll-free at (800) 876-7060. The Canadian Council's Advance Fee Loan Scam page on the internet can be found at www.canadiancouncilbbb.ca/advance.html.

Victims of bogus loan brokers also encouraged to file a complaint with the BBB. While the chance of recovering the payment fee is minimal, victims can provide information to help BBBs wan consumers and assist government investigations.

Consumers seeking financing are urged to seek credit locally and check with the BBB first. In addition, there are nonprofit organizations with trained credit counselors who can assist individuals with debt problems. Contact the Better Business Bureau for tips on selecting a trustworthy credit counseling organization.



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On Sep 20, 2007, coleen Said:
How many loans did I apply for?.....lol
13 loans for nick embrey, tom benson and walter evans. Ok i'm done. I got to be good.....lol But I know they will be excited to see all the loan applications, until they realize that they are bogus , just like them.
On Sep 20, 2007, Coleen Said:
I would like to say THANK YOU AND A JOB WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU!!!! Its a great thing that we are trying to help others by gettin these ppl busted. Keep up the great work.
On Sep 20, 2007, Coleen Said:
They(ppl from canwest) must be reading our stuff on here because nobody called me yet about my loan application....lol
My friend just applied for a bogus loan with them under the name of Tom Benson...lol
I hope he gets a call....lol
I'm going to apply again now under my yahoo email address and use my cell phone # with the name Nick Embrey...lol

Anything to tie up these ppl , so they, hopefully, won't reach any more innocent ppl.

Am I being to bad....well they were all bad to us.

I'm going to call my friends now to get them to apply for bogus loans too.
On Sep 20, 2007, koka1234 Said:
He his probably saying that the 27th is a good time because there scam will be finished by then. I agree that we should all apply for bogus loans to tie them up for a while
On Sep 20, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Sorry bud but their office is not there... read through the posts.
On Sep 20, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Sorry bud but their office is not there... read through the posts.
On Sep 20, 2007, Mike Said:
1788 W Broadway
Suite 802

It is on the corner of W Broadway and Burrard St.

is what he told me.. on the 27th at 2pm.. it would be great if someone lived around there
On Sep 20, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
coleen,
That's a great idea... we should get everyone to apply at canwestcredit.com...

Tie up their systems with bogus applications!!
On Sep 19, 2007, coleen Said:
I just applied for a loan at canwest....lol
Exact same application as firstcanadian that scammed me. I'm going to say a friend refered me and i'm gonna ask for walter evans or tom benson....let u know what happens...

police told me not to expect my money back but more people needs to report their cases.

Again I give this info...anyone who sent money through Western Union, call 1-800-448-1492 and report your fraud case. This must be done before the police can access information. You can also email shirley crawford about your case, this is the fraud investigator for western union email address: shirley.crawford@westernunion.com
On Sep 19, 2007, koka1234@hotmail.com Said:
As anyone heard anything from the police?? They told me that more than likely i wouldn't get my money back. But i would still like these idiots to get whats coming to them.
On Sep 19, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Mike what address did they give you to go to.
On Sep 19, 2007, Mike Said:
I have been talking to canwest credit, I have been emailing back and forth and have no setup an appointment, only prob is I dont live in Vancouver, does anyone els

On Sep 19, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
somebody should call moneygram, western union etc and put them on alert for kyle danby's account numbers!!
On Sep 19, 2007, puppyson Said:
I was also scammed by Kyle Danby from Canwest Credit. A moneygram for $500 was sent to a Jennifer Carter in Vancover BC. Shortly after a email from him said my loan application was flagged by their security department and would be refunded in 2 to 3 weeks.
Have already filed a complaint with my local police and phonebusters.
Have copys of the emails and the loan contract agreement printed out.
Wasn't aware Canwestcredit is the same as First Canadian Finance.
Kyle needs the reference number for the moneygram. Should have a trap set and have people waiting at the other moneyram location when they pick it up.
On Sep 18, 2007, Reuben Said:
I just wrote to my radio station about us being scanned and they told me if they get more people reporting what happened to all of us they will tell it in the news.If you would like to you could email them at mb@cjad.com
lets get this out in the news. Thank-you
On Sep 18, 2007, coleen Said:
Hi everyone,
the #'s for first canadian finance, 416-944-3184 and 416-944-0105 were land lines in toronto, through Bell Canada. the # 647-722-3266 was a land line in toronto through GT Group telecom services corp.

I emailed bell but they will not release any info to me as to who these phones were registered to. They told me to contact 411, I will do that tomorrow.
On Sep 18, 2007, coleen Said:
Patricia, Are you saying that walter evans can be contacted at 416-944-3235? He was the guy at first canadian finance..THE SCAM.
The # you are stating is registered to
B. Noseworthy ...77 Huntley..Toronto,ontario
M4Y 2P3

I'm confused did you talk to a Walter Evans at this #?
On Sep 18, 2007, julie Said:
First canadian finance is a complete scam,they start off by telling you that because you have bad credit it was hard to approve you,but because your monthly income is good they were able to find a lender.now if you borrow $10,000.00 they need 10% down this will be held in trust by a man named edward miller.the man that talks with you is named walter evans.they do everything right up till they take your deposit and you will not recieve no funds.than there number is disconnected and trying to reash them by email is now impossible.they play on innocent people that desperately need money and cannot get financing through a bank,people wo need the money.and they take yours.cruel people but they will get back what they deserve.just beware from these loser's.
On Sep 18, 2007, patricia Said:
hey listen up anyone who talks with a walter evans his phone number is 416-944-3235 and he will advise you about a mr.edward miller.they start off by saying how they could not get a loan because of credit rating but because your income is good monthly they found someone who will lend the money.if you borrow $10,000.00 all you need to do is send a deposit of 10%,this will be held for 3 months.seriuos scam ,stay away do not fall for it.they are thieves.and play on people who desperately need money and cannot finance,and take what we cannot afford.
On Sep 18, 2007, coleen Said:
OK, today I found out that I am the only case reported in Newfoundland. You must file a report with the police.
If you did a wire transfer through Western union, you must call 1-800-448-1492 and file a fraud case. This will allow the police to collect information from western union.
The contact name for the fraud investigator through western union is Shirley Crawford.
shirley.crawford@westernunion.com
Please make sure you file your case with western union. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

I had to wire the money to Ron Hilde toronto ontario, but guess where it was picked up, NOT IN ONTARIO, it was picked up by Ron Hilde in QUEBEC. So Reuben the money grabber is closer to you than you think.

Also do anyone else have all the emails from first canadian finance, example: your loan application or where they explain WHY your loan was not approved or an email stating they were going to send back your money, if so, please turn them in to the police. I turned in 6 emails to the police today.
On Sep 18, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Well i am not sure about anyone else but i feel like i am banging my head into a wall.
I no longer know who is real or fake.
I am getting phone call saying my loan is approved (10%) forwarded of course and my email accounts are continually full of fake offers or are they all fake but i will not take the time to search all offers... to much work and i am doing checks on our 2 frauds now till 2-3am and working all day. I am getting tired so PLEASE email all your info so i can pass it to the lawyer or don`t does not matter to me.
On Sep 18, 2007, Reuben Said:
Thank you so very much Ted.
On Sep 18, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Keep in mind that there are different jurisdictions in play here...
RCMP is Federal government and can talk about issues all over Canada...

Local police are municipal and can only talk about issues in their precincts or jurisdictions.

It's probably best to talk to RCMP in these matters..

And yes... people have been scammed by First Canadian Finance..
SEE finance scam
On Sep 18, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Reply!! That's what i did. When he asks for the money, give him a piece of your mind. And he told my friend that he didn't steal anyones money they gave it to him.
On Sep 18, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Reuban go here...http://www.bpcpa.ca
also look up the # for the RCMP.
On Sep 18, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
i just got a pre approval for a loan from kyle danby using my fake name.....he wants me to reply asap......what should i tell him
On Sep 18, 2007, Reuben Said:
Has anybody else living in montreal been scamed by first canadisn finance, or am I the only one. Montreal ploice say they can not take report, have to go down or call Toronto police.Dose anybody out there have any advice on to go about with filling a report.
On Sep 18, 2007, reuben Said:
Yes I wennt Yestoday and they told me to contact the Toronto police.I will tell you more details when they get back to me.
On Sep 17, 2007, coleen Said:
Did everyone report this to the police? The police officer told me today that he found nothing on first canadian finance and very little on Benson. He was going to get in contact with the ontario police department.
He was waiting on a call back from securities today.He said everyone must report if they have been scammed so they can do something about it.More details about what he is doing hopefully tomorrow. I hope that he is on to something here.
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Enter an IP address or domain name into the form below and click "Look Up" to get a segment of the full result set.
10.0.192.1
We do not have any information for that IP/domain.

this IP is on a private internet provider service.
On Sep 17, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
you can track IP addresses on
domaintools.com
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
OrgName: Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
OrgID: IANA
Address: 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
City: Marina del Rey
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 90292-6695
Country: US

NetRange: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
CIDR: 10.0.0.0/8
NetName: RESERVED-10
NetHandle: NET-10-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: IANA Special Use
NameServer: BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG
NameServer: BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG
Comment: This block is reserved for special purposes.
Comment: Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.
Comment:
RegDate:
Updated: 2002-09-12

OrgAbuseHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number
OrgAbusePhone: +1-310-301-5820
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@iana.org

OrgTechHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
OrgTechName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number
OrgTechPhone: +1-310-301-5820
OrgTechEmail: abuse@iana.org

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-09-16 19:10
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On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
It seems Kyle and Veronica have the same IP..

OrgName: Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
OrgID: IANA
Address: 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
City: Marina del Rey
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 90292-6695
Country: US

NetRange: 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255
CIDR: 192.168.0.0/16
NetName: IANA-CBLK1
NetHandle: NET-192-168-0-0-1
Parent: NET-192-0-0-0-0
NetType: IANA Special Use
NameServer: BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG
NameServer: BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG
Comment: This block is reserved for special purposes.
Comment: Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.
Comment:
RegDate: 1994-03-15
Updated: 2002-09-16

OrgAbuseHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number
OrgAbusePhone: +1-310-301-5820
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@iana.org

OrgTechHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN
OrgTechName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number
OrgTechPhone: +1-310-301-5820
OrgTechEmail: abuse@iana.org

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-09-16 19:10
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On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
They both have 1 common IP address which is
10.0.192.1
and for some reason i cannot track this IP
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
And this turned up on Victoria Harold.
Identification Report for 66.235.211.45

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Emails from 66.235.211.45 are passed to the server identified on the Internet by 66.235.211.45. This report details that server, which is probably owned or maintained by the sender's company or Internet service provider. If you would like information on the computer on which the email was actually composed, then use eMailTrackerPro's Advanced Email Trace facility (how do I do this?).

Note that email addresses are very easy to fake. If you have received a spam or scam email pertaining to be from 66.235.211.45, then it almost certainly does not come from that address. You can find the real source of the email using the Advanced Email Trace facility.

Computer 66.235.211.45 has been found. There is a good chance that it is located in or around Los Angeles, CA, USA as systems nearby are known to be located in this area. The organization or individual who manages the system is located in Phoenix, AZ, USA, but this can be a distance away from the location of the system itself.

This system is a mail, web, secure web and file transfer server (click here for details).

Network Contact Information: The following details refer to the network that the system is on.

iPowerWeb, Inc.
919 East Jefferson Street Phoenix AZ 85034 US
Domain Contact Information: The following details refer to a name registered for this address.

Harold and Associates
6478324072
000-000-0000
148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X1L3 CA
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This is valuable data when tracking the end location because it helps qualify the actual final position. In some instances the final location has been derived from the network registration details, which is often the head office location for the Internet Service Provider (ISP). The ISP location is often local to the destination traced, but sometimes also located elsewhere, particularly in the case of large national ISPs. The physical (authoritative) locations of systems in last 2 or 3 hops of the route provide helpful location information as they are often in the vicinity of the destination being traced. Authoritative locations are shown in bold, locations derived from registration details appear in italic.
Address of Hop Name of Hop Location
192.168.0.1 (unnamed) (Private)
10.0.192.1 (unnamed) (Private)
66.185.90.241 vl-201.gw03.flfrd.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.83.173 gi-3-0.gw01.flfrd.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.81.73 so-5-0-3.gw02.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.80.14 so-1-1-0.gw02.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.81.1 pos-3-0.igw01.chfdrl.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
64.124.11.25 so-0-2-2.mpr1.ord2.us.above.net Chicago, IL, USA
64.125.30.205 so-0-2-0.mpr1.sjc2.us.above.net San Jose, CA, USA
64.125.26.25 so-1-0-0.mpr1.lax9.us.above.net Los Angeles, CA, USA
64.124.17.61 64.124.17.61.ipowerweb.com Santa Monica, CA
72.22.95.238 (unnamed) Phoenix, AZ, USA
66.235.211.45 host233.ipowerweb.com Phoenix, AZ, USA


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Network Owner Information Domain Owner Information
The following information refers to the network on which this system lies. This is useful information because it describes who you need to report to if someone on their network has been abusive. (How to effectively report network abuse)

OrgName: iPowerWeb, Inc.
OrgID: IPOWE
Address: 919 East Jefferson Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85034
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rdns1.ipowerweb.net:53

NetRange: 66.235.192.0 - 66.235.223.255
CIDR: 66.235.192.0/19
NetName: IPOWERWEB-NET
NetHandle: NET-66-235-192-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: RDNS1.IPOWERWEB.NET
NameServer: RDNS2.IPOWERWEB.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-07-07
Updated: 2004-07-02

OrgTechHandle: DS2379-ARIN
OrgTechName: Sipes, David M.
OrgTechPhone: +1-310-314-1606
OrgTechEmail: dsipes@ipowerweb.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-09-16 19:10
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The following information describes the organization or individual who registered the domain name ipowerweb.com. There can be many domain contacts however Corporate and Administrator are usually the best contact references.
Registrant:
Harold and Associates
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X1L3
CA

Domain name: HAROLDANDASSOCIATES.COM

Administrative Contact:
Harold, Victoria vharold2007@hotmail.com
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X1L3
CA
6478324072 Fax: 000-000-0000

Technical Contact:
Manager, Domain hostmaster@ipowerweb.com
919 East Jefferson
Phoenix, AZ 85034
US
+1.8885114678 Fax: +1.3103141610



Registration Service Provider:
iPowerWeb, hostmaster@ipowerweb.com
888 511 4678
602-307-5438 (fax)
http://IPOWER.com
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 24-Jul-2007.
Record expires on 24-Jul-2008.
Record created on 24-Jul-2007.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.IPOWERDNS.COM
NS1.IPOWERWEB.NET


Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited

The Data in the Tucows Registrar WHOIS database is provided to you by Tucows
for information purposes only, and may be used to assist you in obtaining
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accuracy.

By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for
lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to:
a) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail,
telephone, or facsimile of mass, unsolicited, commercial advertising or
solicitations to entities other than the data recipient's own existing
customers; or (b) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that
send queries or data to the systems of any Registry Operator or
ICANN-Accredited registrar, except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations.

The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is
expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Tucows.

Tucows reserves the right to terminate your access to the Tucows WHOIS
database in its sole discretion, including without limitation, for excessive
querying of the WHOIS database or for failure to otherwise abide by this
policy.

Tucows reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

NOTE: THE WHOIS DATABASE IS A CONTACT DATABASE ONLY. LACK OF A DOMAIN
RECORD DOES NOT SIGNIFY DOMAIN AVAILABILITY.




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* The system is running a mail server on port 25. This means that this system can be used to send email.
* The system is running a web server (Apache) on port 80 (click here to view it). This means that this system serves web pages.
* The system is running a secure web server (Apache) on port 443 (click here to view it). This means that this system serves encryped web pages. It therefore probably handles sensitive data, such as credit card information.
* The system is running a file transfer server (will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity) on port 21 (click here to view it). This means users are able to upload and download files to this system.
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Here is what i have turned up on Kyle Danby`s email.
Identification Report for 76.162.254.66


Emails from 76.162.254.66 are passed to the server identified on the Internet by 76.162.254.66. This report details that server, which is probably owned or maintained by the sender's company or Internet service provider. If you would like information on the computer on which the email was actually composed, then use eMailTrackerPro's Advanced Email Trace facility (how do I do this?).

Note that email addresses are very easy to fake. If you have received a spam or scam email pertaining to be from 76.162.254.66, then it almost certainly does not come from that address. You can find the real source of the email using the Advanced Email Trace facility.

Computer 76.162.254.66 has been found. eMailTrackerPro has drawn information from its own database and from information specified by the owners of 76.162.254.66. Both sources tend to agree that the host is located around Atlanta, GA, USA.

This system is a web and secure web server (click here for details).

Network Contact Information: The following details refer to the network that the system is on.

Ecommerce Corporation
abuse@ecommerce.com
+(270) 707-2040
247 Mitch Lane Hopkinsville KY 42240 US
Domain Contact Information: The following details refer to a name registered for this address.

Victoria Harold
148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA
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Address of Hop Name of Hop Location
192.168.0.1 (unnamed) (Private)
10.0.192.1 (unnamed) (Private)
66.185.90.241 vl-201.gw03.flfrd.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.83.177 gi-2-1.gw01.flfrd.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.81.73 so-5-0-3.gw02.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
66.185.81.190 so-1-0-0.igw01.chcrmk.phub.net.cable.rogers.com Toronto, ON, Canada
208.50.86.133 POS2-1.ar2.CHI2.gblx.net Chicago, IL, USA
64.208.110.62 telefonica-2.ar2.DCA3.gblx.net Washington, DC, USA
205.171.139.113 cer-core-01.inet.qwest.net Denver, CO, USA
67.14.14.2 atl-core-01.inet.qwest.net Atlanta, GA, USA
205.171.21.190 atl-edge-17.inet.qwest.net Atlanta, GA, USA
63.148.162.170 (unnamed) Denver, CO, USA
71.18.38.6 Gi0-52.DIST-MLS1.OpenTransfer.COM Hopkinsville, KY, USA
76.162.254.66 mail66.opentransfer.com Hopkinsville, KY, USA


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OrgName: Ecommerce Corporation
OrgID: ECOMM-5
Address: 247 Mitch Lane
City: Hopkinsville
StateProv: KY
PostalCode: 42240
Country: US

NetRange: 76.162.0.0 - 76.163.255.255
CIDR: 76.162.0.0/15
NetName: ECOMMERCE-HOSTING
NetHandle: NET-76-162-0-0-1
Parent: NET-76-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.OPENTRANSFER.COM
NameServer: NS2.OPENTRANSFER.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-11-09
Updated: 2007-04-02

RAbuseHandle: ABUSE875-ARIN
RAbuseName: Abuse Contact
RAbusePhone: +(270) 707-2040
RAbuseEmail: abuse@ecommerce.com

RNOCHandle: HNI1-ARIN
RNOCName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
RNOCPhone: +1-270-707-2040
RNOCEmail: ipadmin@ecommerce.com

RTechHandle: HNI1-ARIN
RTechName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
RTechPhone: +1-270-707-2040
RTechEmail: ipadmin@ecommerce.com

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE875-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Contact
OrgAbusePhone: +(270) 707-2040
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ecommerce.com

OrgNOCHandle: HNI1-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
OrgNOCPhone: +1-270-707-2040
OrgNOCEmail: ipadmin@ecommerce.com

OrgTechHandle: HNI1-ARIN
OrgTechName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
OrgTechPhone: +1-270-707-2040
OrgTechEmail: ipadmin@ecommerce.com

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The following information describes the organization or individual who registered the domain name opentransfer.com. There can be many domain contacts however Corporate and Administrator are usually the best contact references.
Registrant:
Victoria Harold
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA

Domain name: CANWESTCREDIT.COM

Administrative Contact:
Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA
+1.6478324072
Technical Contact:
Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA
+1.6478324072


Registration Service Provider:
Ecommerce, Inc., registrars@ecommerce.com
800-861-9394
http://ecommerce.com
UNLIMITED Storage Space, 3 TERRABYTES of Monthly Transfer & up-to 16
domains, starting at $3.95!

LIFETIME FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION + FREE FEATURES INCLUDED. ONLY AT
ECOMMERCE.COM


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 13-Sep-2007.
Record expires on 17-Aug-2008.
Record created on 17-Aug-2007.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS9.IXWEBHOSTING.COM
NS10.IXWEBHOSTING.COM


Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited

The Data in the Tucows Registrar WHOIS database is provided to you by Tucows
for information purposes only, and may be used to assist you in obtaining
information about or related to a domain name's registration record.

Tucows makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee its
accuracy.

By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for
lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to:
a) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail,
telephone, or facsimile of mass, unsolicited, commercial advertising or
solicitations to entities other than the data recipient's own existing
customers; or (b) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that
send queries or data to the systems of any Registry Operator or
ICANN-Accredited registrar, except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations.

The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is
expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Tucows.

Tucows reserves the right to terminate your access to the Tucows WHOIS
database in its sole discretion, including without limitation, for excessive
querying of the WHOIS database or for failure to otherwise abide by this
policy.

Tucows reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

NOTE: THE WHOIS DATABASE IS A CONTACT DATABASE ONLY. LACK OF A DOMAIN
RECORD DOES NOT SIGNIFY DOMAIN AVAILABILITY.

As you can see it bounces around alot.


On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Come on people lets get these frauds.. post the info PLEASE!! if not for yourself then for all the others that have been ripped off..
On Sep 17, 2007, koka1234 Said:
I've been emailing kyle and he told me if i would send him some naked pics i can have the money and not have to pay it back
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
DJ yes anybody who has been defrauded by any avance fee scam..
On Sep 17, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
koka1234,
you can do a whois lookup on www.domains.ca

That will tell you who owns the url/domain name.
On Sep 17, 2007, koka1234 Said:
I just spoke with a lady at CANWEST CREDIT. I told her i was at her location to speak with kyle danby and there office was not there she then said that you need an appointment to see kyle danby. I asked does this mean that the office will magically appear. So if anyone can get into contact with kyle and try to set up an appointment with him.
On Sep 17, 2007, DJ Said:
Ted: Are you accepting TransCanada Loans too? That's who we lost money to. First Canadian Finance wanted it, but we didn't send any money to them. I still feel scammed though, because that's money we were relying on, and when it 'fell through', we were out...BIG TIME!
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Canwest Credit is registered to victoria harold of harold&associates.
email victoria@haroldandassociates.com
And yes it is FAKE!!
On Sep 17, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Does anyone know who this site is registered to?? CANWEST CREDIT.
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
koka1234 send me all your information so i can forward to attorney
On Sep 17, 2007, koka1234 Said:
I just received word from Kyle Danby that my (FAKE) loan has been approved for 15,000.00 all i needed to do was send 1500.00 to secure the loan. Needless to say these people are relentless. I also wrote him back giving him a piece of my mind. He told my friend that he doesn't know who FIRST CANADIAN FINANCE is. what a joke.
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Ok people i have a lawyer checking into this and here is what i need.
1/ Names of people ripped off.
2/amount you were ripped off for..no padding
3/which company scammed you.
4/ as much info as you can give me.
No promises but i will see if we have a case.

please send this to pete47ster@gmail.com
so we do not tie up these forums.
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
If anyone knows how to track email through gmail can you let me know..
On Sep 17, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Identity theft is obviously a big possibilty. These guys won't mind using your identity
On Sep 17, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Coleen what was the web site you went to for your loan application i can run that and see who registered it.
On Sep 17, 2007, DJ Said:
Our money order was to be sent to Mark Piccolo as well.
On Sep 16, 2007, Coleen Said:
one more thing that is running through my mind, identity theft. It may be our names they are using in the next scam. They have our personal information (ex: drivers license numbers, credit reports which our social insurance numbers are attached, our date of birth, and bank account numbers)etc.
These people need to be caught,locked up behind bars and keys thrown away.
On Sep 16, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
i sent mine western union to mark piccolo
On Sep 16, 2007, Coleen Said:
What companies supply the phone lines in ontario? Maybe we can get information from them on who owned these phones that were used in this scam.
We have the #'s, can they supply use with names?
On Sep 16, 2007, Reuben Said:
I also send my money by money gram. It was send to James Mckee.
On Sep 16, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Those are the exact same phone numbers i have, but i had to send my money through money gram and it was sent to mark rains
On Sep 16, 2007, Coleen Said:
Ok another thing, I had to send the money through Western Union. Did anyone else? I had to send it to either Rob Cider or Ron Hilde. Do anyone know these people? I'd love to have a number for Ron Hilde. Apparently he picked up my money for first canadian finance. Western union told me Mr.Hilde had to show a picture ID to recieve the money, so he must be out there somewhere. I wonder if western union have video camera's? If so maybe this guy can be caught on tape.
On Sep 16, 2007, coleen Said:
Does anyone have anyone that I can call that worked for this , so called, company?

The #'s that I was dealing with were:
Tom Benson-loans department 1-416-944-3184
Head Office 1-416-944-0105
Nick Embrey- Customer care 1-647-722-3266

Was this site created by Victoria Harold? If so, is that a real person? If so, why isn't she held responsible?
On Sep 16, 2007, Coleen Said:
We have been scamed too. FIRST CANADAIAN FINANCE.
On Sep 16, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
New link to another place to warn people of these scams.
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/accent472000
On Sep 15, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey DJ,
How would posting this on Facebook get the site delisted from Google?
On Sep 15, 2007, DJ Said:
If you want it de-listed from Google, post on Facebook.
On Sep 15, 2007, DJ Said:
Nail the bastards!!!
On Sep 15, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Ted,
We need something that helps us get these sites delisted from google.

Also,
A class action would be interesting, but it sounds like these people are pretty slippery. Not only that, they probably have the proceeds of the scam "done with" in a short period of time.
On Sep 15, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I found this very interesting to read through..lol lets all take a class action against Canwest Global because canwest credit used their name to defraud us...lol
READ:http://adserver.van.net/pp/index.html
On Sep 15, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Hmm i wonder if Canwest Global is aware of this canwest credit scheme???
I guess i will find out.
On Sep 15, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Monty;
check this one found it in 2 sec...
http://spamlinks.net/track-report-addresses.htm
On Sep 15, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I am on it and as for getting caught doing something against their sites or emails..i have a little surprise on order for them....lol
On Sep 15, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Dustin,
Where as that is amusing to send out 100's of emails to these spam sites, your ISP may catch wind of it and turn off your account.. If there was a way to do it anonymously.... proxies?!!

My concern is that these guys get shut down and not steal people's money.

I get a strong sense that this is not an isolated issue.

I'm wondering if someone can research sites who have lists of Canadian scam websites
On Sep 14, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
or info@canwest.com
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
here is kyle Danby`s email.
kyle.danby@canwestcredit.com
On Sep 14, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
kyle.danby@canwest.com
On Sep 14, 2007, Dustin Said:
I have an email system that can send out hundreds of emails a minute. Does anyone have any Canwest email addresses? I can fill their email box with attachments relentlessly! Do they watch these sites to see what we are doing?
On Sep 14, 2007, Dustin Said:
I have an email system that can send out hundreds of emails a minute. Does anyone have any Canwest email addresses? I can fill their email box with attachments relentlessly! Do they watch these sites to see what we are doing?
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
http://www.bpcpa.ca
Go here to launch your complaints.
On Sep 14, 2007, Dustin Said:
I called Canwest today and asked for Keith Anderson (he was the one that ripped me off with First Canadian) the receptionist almost forgot what company they were now but she caught herself before saying anything...I said that I recognized her voice from First Canadian and she hung up on me (lol) these people are nuts....I am writing the local media in Calgary tonight! Who else do I contact?
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
There i signed up Monty and put up a new topic too sorry if that is wrong.
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Ted ,

I've created a group on Facebook for Canadian Money Advisor.

Please do take a moment to sign up there as well..
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I have added a page on face book dedicated to this cause... http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5104928090
so lets keep the pressure on.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I have just written to the registrar of the Canwest website or domain name to try and shut them down which they will do if they believe me, so i provided this link once again.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Not a problem Monty i am committed to stopping these SCAMS for reaching more innocent people.
Lol on the lighter side Ritchie Banks got back to me and offered to drop all advance fees if i still wanted a loan but now he cannot be reached so i add him to the list too.
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Thanks Ted,
Much appreciated!!

We'll be as accomodating for the press to help the off line victims of this loan scam crisis

Understanding that not all of the victims are going to research these scam sites... we need to reach the people that aren't internet savvy..

Thanks again for the mention.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I have contacted the news media here in Ottawa to try and get the word out. I also gave them this web site as a reference point.
A-Channel.ca
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey jennifer123,

Hmmm... if you're doing a TV interview, I'm not adverse at getting a little publicity for this site!! :)

Let me know if you want/need me to get involved with the TV interview...

Thanks
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
No, they won't give you info on who it is, but you can let them know it is being used to defraud people of their money so they can take appropriate measures.
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
i actually called telus about the phone #'s yesterday and they wouldn't give me any info, they said have the police contact them
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
There are things you can do, though. If you use 411.ca for the reverse lookup it will tell you who the provider is. You can then contact the provider and inform them that their number is being used as part of an advance loan scam. You can also do this with whois lookups for site domains.
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Me and my friend have actually left a bunch of messages, stating that we are getting very confused because of all the different phone numbers and we would like him to call us back so we can clear this matter up. LOL
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
koka1234 if you get to talk with Kyle tell him i send my sympathy...lol
On Sep 14, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
did a reverse look up with telus for those numbers..... guess what nothing
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
k. Thanks. I'm gonna call.
On Sep 14, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
647-430-1099 or 604 595 3048 is the numbers he gave me to dicuss the loan application
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Does anyone have the phone # for kyle danby?? I would like to talk to him about getting a loan!! (ANOTHER ONE) LETS PLAY!!
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
LOL, I'm still waiting to hear back about the loan i tried for. Also, we called the environmental products, to which Canwest stole there address and informed them of the situation and they are going to look into it and take the appropiate action. They said thanks for the info!!
On Sep 14, 2007, jennifer123 Said:
i just got an email from kyle danby about taking out a loan.....lol he he he he lets see what i can dig up!!!!!

i was also contacted by ctv news they want me to help them do a news story about this!!!!
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Kyle Danby
to me

show details
4:19 pm (1 minute ago)
Maybe you should stick to video games and leave the real games to the big boys.

Kyle
On Sep 14, 2007, Francesca Kinsey Said:
I applied for a fake loan with Canwest and so far they haven't responded. That must be because I told them that I'm employed with the RCMP. I'm not, but they don't need to know that. I also sent them an email with an alias email address and told them they've been busted. Haven't responded to that one either. These people need to be exposed.
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
I've run both the First Canadian and one of the Trans Canada Loans numbers through a site I found. Preliminary results, so far, indicate that names are available, but the final report will take 24 to 72 hours. It is a pay site, so that's all I ran for now. If these searches are successful, I will post the links here. Those of you with credit cards can access info on your numbers. Those of you without credit cards can buy a prepaid Visa at Safeway.

More later :))))))
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
http://www.bpcpa.ca
Go here to launch your complaints.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
lol it is a career site so i believe Kyle Danby just phoned me digging for information...lol
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I just received a call from www.btcpa.com
anyone with dealings with any of theses companies please launch a complaint on there site.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Yes i have an abundance of email address`s as well as a couple of web sites that i an admin for.
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Have you tried using a different email address to contact Kyle Danby? As well, I had a friend apply for a loan with Canwest using all fake information, lets see what happens.
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
LOL ya i try to get them into conversations so that i can trace them...
I am working on this one now.
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
mmm... one does wonder why a reputable lender would be operating from a virtually yahoo account.
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
BTW... you gotta love a name like Richie Banks who's a money lender!!
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Ted,
i found this on Yahoo Answers
http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070912060558AA62BiY

Q: what's this guys' company name, and is he registered anywhere in Canada?

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

Attn:

I am Mr. Richie Banks, a reputable, legitimate & an accredited money Lender.
I loan money out to individuals in need of financial assistance.
Do you have a bad credit or you are in need of money to pay bills?
I want to use this medium to inform you that i render reliable beneficiary assistance as I'll be glad to offer you a loan.

Services Rendered include:

*Refinance
*Home Improvement
*Inventor Loans
*Auto Loans
*Debt Consolidation
*Line of Credit
*Second Mortgage
*Business Loans
*Personal Loans
*International Loans

Please write back if interested.

Upon Response, you'll be mailed a Loan application form to fill.
No social security and no credit check, 100% Guaranteed.
I Look forward permitting me to be of service to you.


Sincerely,

Richie Banks
Managing Director,
fLoans Services
banks_loanequity1@yahoo.com
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Well PEOPLE i may have just made a mistake!!!!
banks_loanequity1@yahoo.com this company has just contacted me and said that there are no up front fee`s and that they can take any costs from the loan amount.. But i will remain cautious till i get proof.And i will post it here when i do.
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
I just had a friend call and ask about applying for a loan and the lady's name is Brenda and she continues to say they are not affiliated in anyway with FIRST CANADIAN FINANCE. The address they are using is for an evironmental company in BC
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Hey koka1234 ;
Good job stay on them and we can chase them into making a mistake... Like Kyle Danby of Canwest he is continuing to taunt me thru emails which i continue to send to the authorities.
On Sep 14, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Hi All,
I just called CANWEST CREDIT!! The lady was very rude. I told her that they have the exact same website as FIRST CANADIAN FINANCE, she said have never heard of them. If anyone would like to call heres the phone # 604 628 0149
On Sep 14, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
Hey Ted,
I've posted some stuff regarding canwestcredit.com.. this will show up in google in the next few days, and I'm sure we'll have people screaming about that, if they've been stung..

Thanks for the heads up on this.

Let me know if you find any other scam loan websites
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Here`s another one people but he reads the yahoo forums and preys on the victims of scams.
banks_loanequity1@yahoo.com

Soon as i dig up more on this piece of crap i will post it.
Also just recieved another email from Kyle Danby at Canwest credit taunting me to catch him...I WILL
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
Also... if you\'re applying for a loan online, the web address should start \"https\". That means it is a secure site. Scam sites don\'t use them, because, as I understand it, they are rigourously checked out before the encryption is given.
On Sep 14, 2007, Angella Said:
There are reputable lenders out there. Most car dealerships deal with them. Try Wells Fargo, Vehicle Finance Co, or Citifinancial. If you want to increase your credit rating, get Capital One\'s secured mastercard... and use it with respect. Make sure you never get billed more than 20% of the value... even if it means you have to pay it 5 days before the billing date.
On Sep 14, 2007, Bonnie Said:
Hello; Just wanted to let you know that you all have a great opition on this company First Canadian Finance. me and my hubby didn't see this until today, we had sent a "down payment" as they call it to this company and then were told after sending this that we are not approved and they are sending money back the sent it or so they send they did on sept 4. and it is now the 13 and we have nothing, and now the numbers are disconnected and are not getting no answer at the customer service line, good job and make it known to others about this please cause i also know of another person that has sent the down payment as well, i have sent all the information to the phone busters and i know now that i will not see my money again, good job guys and keep looking up others and get them busted.!
On Sep 14, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
It is sad to say but the chances of getting your money back are slim to none.
These people are vultures that feed on your hopes.The phone lines and websites are set up to redirect back to the states or other places .
The ones to go after are the web hosts who supply access to these scum bags.

But on another note maybe someone will see all this and put up a link to a reputable lender for the credit challenged.
On Sep 14, 2007, Dustin Said:
How do these people get away with this? Does anyone ever get caught? Why isn\'t our goverment protecting us from this?
On Sep 14, 2007, Dustin Said:
How do these people get away with this? Does anyone ever get caught? Why isn't our goverment protecting us from this?
On Sep 13, 2007, Mike Said:
I to have been scammed by First Canadian Finance, gave them $500 and was told my account was flagged for identity fraud and that I would be getting refund in the mail. I spent the past day doing research and then find this site to see you all have found the same things as me, I am going to local police tomorow and see what they can do, im 18 years old and needed loan for a car, I want my money back!
On Sep 13, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
also this ..this is my hobby searching IP and domains..
Registrant:
Victoria Harold
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA

Domain name: CANWESTCREDIT.COM

Administrative Contact:
Harold, Victoria Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA
+1.6478324072
Technical Contact:
Harold, Victoria Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA
+1.6478324072

Registration Service Provider:
Ecommerce, Inc., Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
800-861-9394
http://ecommerce.com
UNLIMITED Storage Space, 3 TERRABYTES of Monthly Transfer & up-to 16
domains, starting at $3.95!

LIFETIME FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION + FREE FEATURES INCLUDED. ONLY AT
ECOMMERCE.COM

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 13-Sep-2007.
Record expires on 17-Aug-2008.
Record created on 17-Aug-2007.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS9.IXWEBHOSTING.COM
NS10.IXWEBHOSTING.COM

Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited
On Sep 13, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
here is some info on these 2 companies...
Location: United States [City: Hopkinsville, Kentucky]

OrgName: Ecommerce Corporation
OrgID:
ECOMM-5
Address: 247 Mitch Lane
City: Hopkinsville
StateProv: KY
PostalCode: 42240
Country: US

NetRange: 76.162.0.0 -
76.163.255.255
CIDR: 76.162.0.0/15
NetName: ECOMMERCE-HOSTING
NetHandle: NET-76-162-0-0-1
Parent: NET-76-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer:
NS1.OPENTRANSFER.COM
NameServer: NS2.OPENTRANSFER.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-11-09
Updated: 2007-04-02

RAbuseHandle: ABUSE875-ARIN

RAbuseName: Abuse Contact
RAbusePhone: +(270) 707-2040
RAbuseEmail: *****@ecommerce.com


RNOCHandle: HNI1-ARIN
RNOCName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
RNOCPhone: +1-270-707-2040
RNOCEmail: *******@ecommerce.com

RTechHandle:
HNI1-ARIN
RTechName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
RTechPhone: +1-270-707-2040
RTechEmail: *******@ecommerce.com

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE875-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Contact

OrgAbusePhone: +(270) 707-2040
OrgAbuseEmail: *****@ecommerce.com

OrgNOCHandle: HNI1-ARIN

OrgNOCName: Hosting Network IPADMIN
OrgNOCPhone: +1-270-707-2040
OrgNOCEmail: *******@ecommerce.com

OrgTechHandle: HNI1-ARIN
OrgTechName: Hosting Network IPADMIN

OrgTechPhone: +1-270-707-2040
OrgTechEmail: *******@ecommerce.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-09-13 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
On Sep 13, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
I had to send a money transfer thru post office to a JENNIFER ADAMS in Vancouver ..
I have since contacted all authorities.
I have been reverse running their IP and domain.
On Sep 13, 2007, Ted Reid Said:
Registrant: Victoria Harold 148 Wellesley St. E
Toronto, ON M4X 1L3
CA

Domain name: FIRSTCANADIANFINANCE.COM

Administrative Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072 Technical Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072
Funny thing about this address is that person also runs http://canwestcredit.com and it is also a scam/fraudulant site.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer Said:
thank you i will keep you all posted after i go talk to the rcmp tomorrow
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Jennifer, Here is that info:
Domain name: FIRSTCANADIANFINANCE.COM

Administrative Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072 Technical Contact: Harold, Victoria victoria@haroldandassociates.com 148 Wellesley St. E Toronto, ON M4X 1L3 CA +1.6478324072

Registration Service Provider: Ecommerce, Inc., registrars@ecommerce.com 800-861-9394
On Sep 13, 2007, reuben Said:
To koka 1234
Thank-you for your thoughts.We are sorry for you to.Never,never though that we would get scammed.
On Sep 13, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
if you folks sign in as a member, you can private message each other in the discussion area... you have to make a comment first so that your name appears in the discussion forum

We're talking about first canadian finance here in the discussion forum.
/threadview/729.html
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer Said:
kola can you tell me the info about the website the ecommerce web site dommain. so i can give it to the police, i have to take my contract papers for them to see and send to the proper people to handle it
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer Said:
nice!!! can you get the ip address from the company and give it to the police?
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Yeah, i told them all about the website and the info that i found out. I haven't contacted them about the victoria thing yet. I was trying to see if telus would give the names of who the cell phones were registered too, because i am quite sure that they did not give us there real names.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
koka did you call the police about the website info you got? about victoria etc.. if so what did they say?
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
im in BC
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Jennifer,
If you don't mind me asking what province are you from?? I'm AB
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
Hi Reuben, I feel so bad for you. Fortunately all i wanted to do was go shopping but i made the mistake of trusting this company with my money. Call the OPP, RCMP, phonebusters, local news & newspapers, at least this way maybe we can stop it from happening to someone else.
On Sep 13, 2007, Reuben Wohlmuth Said:
I was just scammed out of 2,000.00 by First Canadian Fininace. This was my last of my money that I recieved from disability, I know have no money to pay my rent or feed my wife and three kids.The person that I was dealing with was Walter Evans 416-994-2325. As of this morning the phone was disconnect.I emailed him, it went through, but did not receive an answer.
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
GOOD FOR YOU!! I tried calling that Victoria Harold again, and apparently she doesn't work for this company and hasn't for a couple of months. I am going to email global news as well, maybe they can do a piece on this.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
koka is there any way we could talk other than on here?
On Sep 13, 2007, Dustin Said:
I got scammed by First Canadian Finance... What do I do? Who do I call? What are the chances I am ever going to see my $700.00 again?
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
i just wrote to ctv news aswell so maybe they will do a story on this compay i had the names
walter evans
mark piccolo
nick embry
keith anderson
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
here are the phone #'s i tried:
1)647 722 3266- Nick Embrey
2)416 944 3184- Tom Benson
3)416 944 0105- Customer Service

I just the ecommerce place where the website is registered and he was unable to give me a lot of info but he did say thay we can have the cops contact them. As well, he said the site got shut down for some reason this morning. But the website is registered to Victoria Harold. I'm gonna call her again.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
good luck on another search site i noticed people were calling the building in toronto of where first canadian finance said they were located and guess what... they arent there and never have been.
their web site is gone and all the number i have tried are out of service
what was the number you tried?
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
It seems that in the past little bit there as been alot of complaints with this company. I am going to try and continue calling Victoria Harolds and see what she has to say about this.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
welli have now filed a complaint with the BBB, the toronto police and phone busters, i guess i just have to wait and see
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
I am not to sure what to tell you. I called the Victoria Harold chick but she wasn't in.
I have called all 3 ph numbers that i had for them but they are all disconnected. I have filed a complaint with the OPP and the RCMP. I doubt if we will get our money back.
On Sep 13, 2007, jennifer still Said:
i was just scammed by this company for 2,500.00 can anyone help me? i filed a complaint with th BBB and emailed a complaint to the toronto RCMP is there anything else i can do? please email me
On Sep 13, 2007, koka1234 Said:
This is definitely a scam. They stole 500.00 from me and they have disconnected their phones and their website is no longer active. Just curious as anybody tried calling this Victoria Harold?? I did but apparently she will have to call me back. Sorry, to anyone else out there that was scammed!!
On Sep 13, 2007, Francesca Kinsey Said:
Don't use them. It's a scam. I called the management office at First Canadian Place, where they are supposedly located, and as soon as I asked about them the lady said "They're a scam". My friend got scammed and they stole $500.00 from her. Now all their numbers are disconnected.
On Sep 12, 2007, Donna Said:
Phonebusters got back to me. FIRST CANADIAN FINANCE IS DEFINATELY A SCAM. THEY ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION. *jerks*.
On Sep 11, 2007, Monty Loree Said:
I'm sorry to hear that you lost money.

I guess the value in the scheme of things is that we're getting these scammy activities posted and made public.

I'm sure that this site will rank high in google search ranks for when people start to look for First Canadian Finance.

Hopefully the money you lost will help thousands of Canadians to NOT GET scammed..
Thanks for your concern and stopping by to post
On Sep 11, 2007, Dorothy Said:
K, this is 'the lady'. I didn't send money to them, I looked into it, like you said to Monty. (and Thank YOU for that). My sister was the one involved, and scammed by, TransCanada Loans. So, I didn't lose ... much. LOL